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Due_Platypus_3913 t1_jdf7n3f wrote

Reply to comment by i_like_my_dog_more in Struggling high-cost lender Amigo has said it will halt all lending and wind down its business after failing to raise extra funds from investors. by Naive-Maintenance244

Legalized and licensed “usury”. Thanks W!You really showed them tu’rists with this one.I’m old enough to remember when there was no”check into cash” and “payday loans”!It was before the “Patriot Act”.

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whydoievenreply t1_jdemk7b wrote

Reply to comment by jordanmc3 in As Cuba election day nears, some voters ask, 'why bother?' by Newgripper1221

Now this is something I can work with.

Thanks for letting me know your thought process.

The reason why you can't examine an example of communism is because it was conceived as an utopian ideal society, therefore there could never be any examples of it in reality.

I think we are both in agreement that communism cannot be implemented. I also think we are in agreement that government tyranny is a bad thing. Putting those two things together, we can conclude that a government trying to achieve communism can only lead to disaster and that has more to do with the inherent tyranny of the government than with the idea itself.

However, there is one point I would like to raise. Socialism, unlike communism, can actually be implemented. A society based on cooperation instead of competition. Catalonia was an example of a successful yet short lived socialist society. I would argue that anthropologically speaking that has been the norm throughout history. The system brought about by capitalism is what is unnatural. Where workers are alienated from themselves and their work.

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jordanmc3 t1_jdeednf wrote

Reply to comment by whydoievenreply in As Cuba election day nears, some voters ask, 'why bother?' by Newgripper1221

I generally get what you're saying; that when the government seizes the means of production and runs it for the benefit of themselves and their cronies, that's really no different than capitalists owning the means of production, and that isn't how communism is supposed to work. In its true manifestation it would be largely stateless. So you're saying that I'm arguing in bad faith when I attribute the conditions of Cuba or say the former USSR to communism.

However I think its equally bad faith to always resort to that argument any time the outcome of an example of communism is examined. If it was possible to implement an ideologically pure version of communism successfully, someone, somewhere, would have have done it in the past 175 years.

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