Macron seeks Beijing’s help to end Ukraine incursion

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>radicalise people into their senseless disputes and wars.

Sounds like Rumsfeld and Cheney

It's okay guys. They signed the Paris agreement

Gretty wants a whole lot of things huh.

The US Navy has been training for this exact scenario for decades. Just replace drones with a rush of cannon fodder with missile launchers riding Boghammars.

And if a ship is manned by a thousand plus people, that capital ship will have plenty of friends nearby as destroyers & frigates don't need that much manpower.

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Yes it’s call politics. And no, US govt and CIA has lied for china before to avoid escalation.

By blowing really expensive and important military equipment that belongs to the attacker up.

As awful as it is what happened. We should all be so grateful he didn't hurt the children. I'm sure they were her last thoughts ❤️

People tend to go with the best deal. It doesn’t really matter how much of the diaspora France has. One of the only reasons they held such sway in the first place was because they were one of the only options.

If France isn’t more proactive and competitive as far as what they offer they are going to lose out completely. Not just to China/Russia but other players like the Americans, japan, other major African countries in Africa, etc.

For starters, those countries want to develop and get rich. Can France help with that? Certainly doesn’t look like they’ve done much but line their own pockets up to now. (No offense)

I think I understand what you are saying : Older Russians may view the Ukraine as a succeeded state. But Ukraine has had its own language and culture since the 800’s CE. Probably before. (With perhaps a total of two centuries of conquest and division between neighboring states during that time.) After the Bolshevik revolution, USSR claimed it as a constituent state in 1922 till 1991 when it regained independence.

In contrast to older Russians, I think the older Ukrainians and younger ones who speak their language and know their culture, history and landscape, do not view their independence as a secession. They view it as their rightful homeland. Maybe parallel to California for older Russians and Putin’s propaganda, but not parallel in history.

So you're telling me our government and the CIA are lying to us by saying china hasn't sent weapons? If they are lying couldn't they be lying about their intent to do so at all?

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Fair, but drones are way cheaper then basically every other weapon system that could take down a warship. It's not something insurmountable, but will certainly require an adaptation of tactics.

> The US Navy has lasers on their ships that could pretty effortlessly shoot down slow fragile drones

Transposing to the current situation, the Belarus/Russians will surely figure out defenses an apply these, but they tie up personnel, generating a cost and a loss of effectiveness on the equipment defended.

This kind of military harassment strategy was used by the WW2 French resistance, and certainly dates deep back into history.

It also creates media noise, attracting attention where the adversary wants to remain discreet. And successfully so in this Russian "AWACS" case

Another article I read, from the BBC, mention it was more like 500,000 or so. Good for them to stand up against authoritarians.

Ahhh the clouds of war assemble!

Sure, but human waves aren't very effective against boats, which is what we were talking about. Drones are also a pretty good force multiplier, so if a country doesn't want to, or doesn't have the manpower for human waves they may serve a role there.

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If china says Russia need to end the war they will. Their Infrastuctures will not survive if china sanction them, the country would collapse, but of course it will never happen. Russia is fully dependant on China and their currency, they are basically own by Xi's balls now.

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An ID card means she has citizenship.

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Wow, so crazy that all the men survived.