They believe all cops are criminals.

This is where you've lost me. I was with you on the assumptions of incompetence and concerns with the level of force used, but this is where you've taken reasonable concerns into the territory of unreasonable.

The difference between a lethal blow from a pipe or knife and a non-lethal one is the point of impact and luck. Assaulting someone with a pipe (or any other weapon) is a potential justification for lethal force. While guns are the second easiest way to kill someone, that doesn't make knives and other weapons any less lethal, especially when someone has already proven their willingness to use it for violence.

The officer in question clearly screwed up here and there should be a thorough (ideally independent) investigation of how and why, probably ending with the officer's termination (unless they can come up with a damned good explanation). That doesn't mean that lethal force is unreasonable against future armed criminals, especially when they have already used those weapons.

Always safe to assume the police were jumpy, acted irrationally, escalated the situation, and were at fault. You're not gonna go broke making that bet.

You're saying it's "case closed" that the man deserved to be shot?

What is reading that general order going to prove?

Bad analogy. It would be like fire trucks circling your neighborhood 10 times a day saying “just making sure there isn’t a fire”

I don’t want a cop hassling me on suspicion of me committing a crime. Maybe the Supreme Court is acknowledging that just like the fire trucks only responding after they get a call, maybe the police should be like that too.

Let’s be honest, most will hear the call come in and then immediately get back to their candy crush high score.

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It's a description of body cam footage that's admitted as evidence and will probably be released publicly at some point. It's as factual as anything else in the article.

This isn't fair, not all cops are like this. Some will disinterestedly write up a report for you that never goes anywhere.

it could very well be weed. and even if it's not, possessing drugs is hardly a legitimate reason to shoot someone or lock someone up. we learned that decades ago.

> Leaving out the key detail of the story to push a certain narrative. Yes, let us ignore facts because it gives more evidence towards my worldview, that will surely convince people

That's not a fact. That is the account of what happened given by the police. Police lie all the time.

It's a classic ex post facto justification. The cop shot a bystander... but it's okay, because he had drugs on him! Of course, ignoring the fact that police lie literally all the time you can't just shoot someone and hope it works out later. That's not how the law works.

The facts, as they currently stand do not look great for MPD. BUT PLEASE I am once again asking for people to wait for more details to come out before jumping to conclusions about who was at fault and what happened.

let me help you out here with your reading comprehension. you said “we agree that cops lie” and yes, I agree. however, nowhere is the word “criminal” stated in that sentence.

now one more time, do you agree that criminals(the people causing the police response) lie as well?

didn't i just say that?

>we agree that cops lie

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do you agree that criminals lie as well?

it certainly would. maybe you're just projecting.

> then i'll revise my opinion.

Come on now, be honest at least. We both know that won't happen.

cool

Hilarious take, I'm at the dog park rn ttyl

well, at least we agree that cops lie.

then you don't really think this person should've been shot either. you just enjoy feeling more powerful than someone else.

Seems like a situation with multiple sketchy characters but drug possession and not complying with the officer does not warrant shooting. I await bodycam video.