>Seasons 1-4 of GoT for me are easily the best pieces of television i've watched, ever. Only thing that comes close would be Breaking Bad

That was the time man, when GoT fans and BB fans used to argue about being the GOAT. As a fan of both, I could barely pick one myself and was just glad to be watching such peak television.

But once again, it was just another proof of why BB having such a perfect ending is a such a milestone in television. It's just extremely rare to have shows that consistently good throughout and also nail the ending.

Arya fast travelling inside the Frey's castle and killing them all off screen in 30 seconds was easily one of the worst moments of the show.

Revenge in GOT became a cheap quick thrill for the crowd.

Arya became a fake character rather than a real person, an omniscient assassin who could kill the bad guys cleanly without any fallout because that's what the audience loves.

And we lost the best twist of the books after the Red Wedding, which is the reveal of Stoneheart, an insane moment justified by its own merit.

For all your problems with Stoneheart, a million more sprung up in her place because of her omission.

Shrinking is just lovely.

ABSOLUTELY

yup, in that moment I was like....well that pretty much is the difference between Westerners and Easterners. Collectivism vs Indivisualism. Miracles Western fight to be the winner above all took over in that moment

"See that guy? He's got a FIVE INCH taint."

I stopped as well. I get my quirky superhero fix from doom patrol.

The first two episodes of season 1 used all the coolness of the show up. Shroud jr zipping around killing people in the diner was great.

Seems like all the characters just do the same thing over and over

Honestly in my recent rewatch I thought that was one of the best seasons of a TV show I had ever seen. They did a great job of building up to an amazing pay off that happens in the last two episodes with the Battle of the Bastards and Cersi's revenge.

I can see why there was so much hype going into Seasons 7 & 8, and they definitely fumbled the ball at the goal line.

it's Korean style editing. They move at a slower pace and want you to see multiple reactions/expressions.

So either you only read my first two sentences and completely overlooked the multiple times I criticized D&D or you're talking about other people in this thread. Your reply is very vague.

So here, D&D divebombed the show spectacularly, but losing Stoneheart was one of their rare right choices.

You didn't think Witness was hilarious?

I mean it's widely regarded as the worst ending to a cultural phenomenon TV show with some of the worst glaring plotholes and rushed endings on TV ever, D&D themselves admitted they rushed the ending and declined HBO's proposals for more seasons/episodes.

If you guys actually enjoyed that trainwreck, then all the power to you, atleast someone gained some joy out of it.

Also this whole sentiment of "focusing on plot holes" is weird as hell. How in the actual hell do you not focus on extremely obvious plot holes which literally ruin not only the show but the previous 6 seasons aswell? There is no getting past that.

The fact that there's people actually defending Dan and Dave's "well she just kinda forgot" plotlines of season 8 is absolutely blowing my mind right now, genuinely the worst piece of television i've seen ever, i'm not trying to hate or be offensive but holy shit i'm actually baffled. Interesting conversation for sure.

There are literal 5 hour videos explaining and detailing every single gigantic plot hole and rushed production of season 7 and 8, but w/e.

The discussion is over, the show is ended, who cares amirite

Also see his skits with chewbacca on Jimmy Kimmel.

“She was my wife!!!”

Dude I say that every single time I have chicken pot pie and me and my dad are the only ones who get it.

I think the author is making a leap here. Sounds like they’re building out their ad sales team for their sports products not for ads during the regular shows.

People up here still justifying D&D's rampant cuts to the story and over-simplification of characters and themes despite this obviously ruining the show in spectacular fashion.

Also, Shrinking is pretty bad.

Wrong actor. Nick offerman was in the last of us. David cross is on the far right.

The sheer build up and execution to the Watchers of the Wall is enough to qualify it alone. But I also love everything else about S4 as well.

We don't know if it goes anywhere but the show has been long over and the books don't seem likely to be finished so really, it doesn't matter whether or not Stoneheart is vital to the book storyline.

But currently, she just seems to be a revenge zombie which wasn't something the show needed.

You can subscribe to Starz through Amazon prime as like an add-on; we did this last night because I refuse to join another streaming service. It’s a 7-day free trial then $8.99/month. I will probably cancel immediately after this season ends.

I recently did a full rewatch and I don't think the story lost much without her. I think D&D made the right decision.

For starters, it would've been another storyline/character that D&D would have had to wrap up before the end and they clearly were struggling with what they already had.

They had Arya do what, 1 or 2 scenes taking revenge on the Freys? They would have needed to add more to justify Stoneheart or it wouldn't have been at all worth it to keep/revise a character that had little to do with the main story. Did we need more scenes of the Freys being hunted down? Nah. Arya standing in place was fine and took care of the Freys.

With John and Beric and the Mountain being revived from deaths, yet another character coming back would have lessened the stakes. (That said, D&D lessened the stakes anyhow with plot armor for the main "good guy" characters).

They wouldn't have had time to shoe-in more of John struggling about coming back than what was already in the show.

There were so many other problems with the later seasons that Stoneheart would've just been a waste of time.

Lady Stoneheart represents revenge the way GRRM intended: limitless, destructive, unclean.

By giving this moment to Arya in a crowd cheering moment, Arya is no longer a real character on a real journey, she instead became an omniscient, fast travelling, can-do-no-wrong dora the assassin.

They removed the best twist of the books post-season 4, then ruined one of the best characters by offloading all that baggage on Arya, and then completely subverted the way revenge is meant to be portrayed as intended by GRRM.

All this... just because Stoneheart might've been a bit meaningless? Lol. At that point, they should've just removed Oberyn Martell too.

I’ll hop in here to back him up. I enjoyed the last two seasons of GOT as well. They are a clear decline from the prior seasons but still entertaining.

There is just nothing on tv that is made on that scale. I think the biggest thing that stopped people from enjoying it was their own expectations. If you go into it focusing solely on the negatives and “plot holes” of course you’re not going to enjoy it. But it is possible to just appreciate it for what it is.

*Sings* "Emotion lotionnnn!"

"You got the goods."

"Really?!"

Superstar Machine!