Depictions of dangerous, murderous people have been popular since the Greek tragedies all the way through Shakespeare and into today. I don't need to watch TV shows about people who punch a clock and pay their bills; I'm already doing that. I want to see something more gripping and out of the ordinary and where the stakes are high.

Seems low

“This is how bernie can still win” vibes

1 in 4 people around you do not pirate shit lol.

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great response

I can't believe people pay for television, especially considering cable tv is 60% advertisements.

I stopped paying for television around 2001. Being a pirate is better than early netflix and arrived 20 years earlier. It's superior in every way: every show ever, and much you can't even find on TV if you paid $500 a month for all the subs, available to you in a couple of minutes of d/ling. I don't understand television watching, I could never sit through ads, or paying multiple sub services.

Doing some napkin math, say 20 years of paying $50 a month for TV, oh .... saved me at least $12,000 dollars. I'll take the used car instead of the TV, thanks.

Deepfake Bruce Willis will be a better actor than all of his recent movies.

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Well since Zaslav had his way a lot of great HBO content is only available on the high seas.

Netflix: Let's make it 10 out of 10.

>And now he’s doing Expedia commercials to pay for it.

and comic con type conventions. He was at one I went too last summer in Boston. Like $300 for a picture with him if I remember correctly.

And 8 are lying about not having. Anyone that is tech savvy enough to do a Google search probably considered piracy at some point instead of getting another subscription just to watch one thing.

She doesn't like him to get out of her sight

Just saw Brick yesterday, so good !! Thanks so much, I'll start with Shallow Grave, looks good and apropos

What falls into the genre is a bit in the eyes of the beholder, but here's some I like:

Thief

Drive

The Nice Guys

Dragged Across Concrete

Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang

Homicide

Destroyer

Shallow Grave (McGregor's first big role!)

One False Move

Blood Simple

Bound

Cold in July

The Last Seduction

Memento

Brick

The Grifters

Deep Cover

That was the previous executive team. They wanted Max to build out both the target audience and the volume of shows. Which they did. In 2022 we got 23 scripted originals airing on HBO and another 23 scripted shows airing as Max originals. The new regime are obviously looking to reduce that volume a good bit to get the financials looking healthier. Most of the cuts will be on the Max end.

The other issue is the Max shows were supposed to target a difference audience to the regular HBO shows. More blockbuster than prestige or target underserved demos. The result was some shows like Raised By Wolves, Titans, Doom Patrol, and Peacemaker that would not work as regular HBO shows but did target a younger male demo. Then you had the female skewing shows like And Just Like That, Gossip Girl, Julia, Pretty Little Liars, Sex Lives of College Girls, Made For Love, The Flight Attendant, etc that gave the HBO Max service a better male/female demo balance than the regular HBO shows offered.

The big issue is shows like Hacks and Julia felt just like HBO shows. The biggest issue was that shows like Tokyo Vice, The Staircase, Station Eleven, Our Flag Means Death, and the upcoming Love & Death limited series are all just shows that feel exactly like regular HBO shows and target their core demo. All great shows but they did not really broaden the reach of the service as was the original intention of the Max originals.

They want more distinction between the HBO and Max originals in the future. With the aim being that the Max shows will be used to attract a new audience to the service and broaden its overall reach. Max shows will probably lean a lot more into established IP in the future like DC and spin-offs from movies franchises like Dune and It.

Be interesting to see how it plays out in the coming years. Most of the stuff we will get in 2023 and probably the bulk of 2024 will be stuff that has been in the works under the previous direction so we will likely not see the impact of this recent harder pivot until we get newer shows in 2025.

I’ll be very interested to see if regular HBO keeps its 23 scripted shows volume in 2023. They promised not to cut regular HBO programming but I’ve got my doubts they will match the 2022 volume in 2023.

Oh my god I might fucking cry. Holy shit! It took me a minute to get into Rebels but by the end of it I fucking loved all of those characters. The last 3 or 4 episodes had me bawling. I knew Ezra was coming back but had no clue the whole crew was. I’m so happy 😭😭

I linked a thing above that only about 2% of 65+ do digital piracy, so its not zero, but its a really small amount, give or take 0.005% of overall 18+ group. We'd expect over time as more people age into that group it will change, but this is where it currently stands.

The entire Ghost crew are coming back. Sabine, Ezra, Hera, Chopper are reuniting with Ahsoka.

Probably not.

Something about Miguel wanting to give his wife a more prominent role in front of and behind the camera.

Interestingly, he did represent the show at the Golden Globes and made the acceptance speech when they won, so hopefully it wasn't a bitter split.

Not enough to warrant having doubled the episode count for each one we've currently got.

I disagree. HBO is a bigger name than Warner Bros and it’s prestige tv would attract new subs. Stop gatekeeping

Dunno...we've been pirating software since the 1980's and Napster rolled out in late 90s. Before that we had the FTP sites. Some pirates are older than you may think. Can confirm at least 60 years old.