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Napoleon_Bonerparte t1_jbuv9hv wrote

Reply to comment by leaky_wand in Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

MacOS and their mobile OS’s are more closely related than you think. iPadOS can run a lot of “desktop” apps natively now.

The merging of their desktop and mobile platform/ecosystems has been Apple’s vision for quite awhile now. That’s one of the reasons they pushed to design their own chips.

The difference between Apple and Microsoft in this particular area is that Apple has been doing a fantastic job at integration while Microsoft is leagues behind.

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CntrldChaos t1_jbuuwq6 wrote

Reply to comment by AmalgamDragon in Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

This entire chain of messages stemmed from a dude saying all software added later to a product was a failure. His assessment is that it’s never ok to release a product missing a feature and add it back in a later release. It’s flat out wrong. Companies have limited cycles to do work and they release it when it makes sense. Sometimes features that exist shouldn’t exist right away because it’s limited benefit. I’m literally saying it’s not one size fits all. Downvotes are people feeling like big company bad and I know what’s best.

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AmalgamDragon t1_jbuu2e8 wrote

Reply to comment by CntrldChaos in Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

Microsoft/Windows isn't a startup. They don't need an MVP for their start menu. It's already been around for decades and been used by billions.

> Building out all features to 100% is actually the exact model that failed day in and day out before the MVP and priority based model. You’d know that if you delivered software for a living

I do. I also know you are dead wrong that there is a single best way to deliver software.

Enjoy all your well deserved downvotes.

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CntrldChaos t1_jbusl8z wrote

Reply to comment by -UltraAverageJoe- in Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

A product owner and company does. As a developer or any of those roles you will understand what it means to hit MVP where you then build out what your users want. Building out all features to 100% is actually the exact model that failed day in and day out before the MVP and priority based model. You’d know that if you delivered software for a living

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CntrldChaos t1_jbus7nm wrote

Reply to comment by asdaaaaaaaa in Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

Understanding why a company does not have a feature at release is completely understandable if you work in the industry. If you are doing it day in and day out you will see what it takes and where you have to make sacrifices. While one feature is super important to you, it may be one of the least requested features by the majority of your users. Being a developer you absolutely 100% know the sacrifice you will make to get software out. Some software works well and is beneficial to many people without features and you then build out what the majority want.

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Stan57 t1_jbuc45j wrote

Reply to Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

I call BS, they could have said this from the start but they didn't. I move all the most used program icons/shortcuts to my taskbar because it leaves my display cleaner and easy to get at. The only icon i have on my desktop is the trash bin, it cant be moved that i have found anyways im on win10 and will switch to Linux before moving to 11

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asdaaaaaaaa t1_jbu5y7c wrote

Reply to comment by CntrldChaos in Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

You don't need to always work in an industry to see blatant mistakes and general trends. I can tell you that aircraft fires aren't good, and I don't need to be an engineer or pilot to say that. When a company makes a point to move away from something, then has to return to it after clearly having different plans it's safe to say they made a mistake. You don't bring stuff back from the dead because what you have currently is a better option.

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-UltraAverageJoe- t1_jbu53wb wrote

Reply to comment by Extension-Stable-910 in Microsoft is bringing back classic Taskbar features on Windows 11 — but not because it screwed up by AliTVBG

What they’re saying is that, in the eyes of the user (which many here are), Microsoft did not deliver the MVP. Maybe the MVP minus the task bar but not the MVP. MVP needs to hit the right marks to be considered “viable”.

For reference, I’m a product manager and develop MVPs and iterate on them. When a bunch of users aren’t happy with the MVP, it means I missed something. Because Microsoft added the taskbar in pretty quickly after release of 11, it looks like they also realized they should have had it for launch.

Edit: spelling

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