That Frankie La(forget his name) is going to get so much content out of this.

Those are not ads, neither is google send it them, is push notifications from other companies, probably your carrier

Realistically if the family member has not already permanently shared their location with you, they will not add you to their approved AirTags user list.

That sounds safe!

So she remembers I can track her phone using family, but forgets to remove herself from the family or that AirTags exist?

She knows she has the other devices. She doesn’t know of the tag you slipped in.

I don’t believe the approval is permanent, but you’d have to check with Apple on that.

"You're holding it wrong." - Apple

What could possibly go wrong?

I'm not fond of the phrase "the AI will know you so well".

I know that to many people such a system would be a convenience working transparently particularly if they aren't quite sure what they're searching for or how to optimally phrase the query, but personally I really don't like them gathering that much data and tracking me that they know me that well.

I realise it's already basically unavoidable, but knowing how they use the data and why they collect it, along with how they track and target people, it doesn't reassure me.

So I just slip in a tag on the family member I want to stalk, and go in approve it and say it’s ok before they are wiser?

Uh no shit?

Uneaten food is wasted food. I want to throwaway 90% of my food. Kinda why I buy extra.

A proactive solution instead of a reactive one. It should just be in your list of airtags if it's owned by an approved family member.

> It's not supposed to be used as a pet tracker.

I'm not affiliated with them in any way, but if you are looking for a pet tracker, I'm very happy with Whistle. I've been using it for years and it has helped me find her on two different occasions when my dog got out.

If I have an indoor cat that sleeps 18 hours a day and has never gone outside, what difference will a Fi collar have, besides being bulkier and costing more money? The 1000% markup of paying for Fi's tech is not worth the 0.01% chance she slips outside.

It is overkill, too, because I'd now be using LTE instead of UWB to find her in the house.

Think of the statistics when people are presented with:

a) Track your pet in your house for $29
b) Track your pet anywhere for $200+ w/ subscription
c) Don't track your pet

If you have multiple pets, option B may be impossible for your budget! Option A is probably the use-case for 80% of pet owners (not that Fi doesn't have its use cases).

And no- I'd say those choosing option A also like their pets just as much as you do.

You couldn't disable notifications or disable the app?

Completely agree about the nuance element. I’m pretty sure that if you spent the time to explicitly state all the nuances and dependencies of a given task before asking how to do it, you’d get somewhat of a relevant response. I don’t know. If you have complex work then it requires complex prompting and I’d rather just do it myself!

I don’t need a taxi driver, I’m just happy with someone to help me navigate now and again

They do that. It means they want food and/or pets. If you’re particularly lucky, it means they want belly rubs.

I agree with this assessment I guess I had unrealistic expectations. I’m invested in a company that does medical research it does well for equations, bad with nuances. Stuff that needs new research to be done it’s frustrating but I think I just need to pay for the paid version

You don’t seem to be getting what I’m saying.

Let’s say my daughter leaves suddenly and no longer wishes contact. She forgets to remove herself from my family. I’m still able to track her phone, watch, and laptop. What does the extra AirTag give me that I don’t already have in terms of tracking her without her permission?

In terms of notifying her, if she did as you said, she wouldn’t even be aware of the AirTag I had already placed on her because she silenced it long ago. It won’t even show up on her list.

However, if apple did as I’m suggesting, she would also be able to track the AirTag I placed on her, since she is still part of the family and has access to the AirTag instead of just notifications disabled. That seems like a better solution, no?

The fact that it works when nowhere near another iPhone isn’t useful to me and many other pet owners. It’s just yet another unnecessary subscription that has to be paid for.

That’s not better. That’s worse. It does everything an AirTag would do for me, while costing literally infinitely more. My dog doesn’t need a cell phone. It needs an AirTag.

Yes... Better things cost more.

Standalone GPS + standalone cellular (AT&T) on the Fi collar is absolutely not in any way equal to an Airtag.

No, not all departures are organized or amicable.

AirTags can be placed on you without your knowledge. That’s why.

It’s a very simple solution. When it notifies you, tell it it’s ok, and it will stop notifying you.

Standalone GPS + standalone cellular (AT&T) on the Fi collar is absolutely not in any way the "same shit" as an Airtag.

And "overkill?"

OK.

But the thing is... I like my pets.

Either they’ve removed themselves from the family, which means all tracking would stop, or they’re still part of the family and tracking is enabled.

I don’t see why AirTags are treated differently, and I’m seriously trying to understand.