Hard disagree. Willis had the better peak but Thomas had a great career and should have already been in.

Willis will probably get in but he’s for sure not a first ballot guy just based on retiring so early

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Lol heat death of the universe ?

Uh oh. Mvps usually lose in the super bowl.

I don't see any contradiction. Like I said we're talking about 19 total KR/PR Tds. You think 19 good plays is enough for a HOF career when there are every-down players with far greater contributions not making it in? That's nuts to me.

On your percentage point you're arguing my point that the total number of TDs is so insignificant that 4 would be a huge percentage.

It's fine to think Hester was awesome, I do too. He's just not HOF worthy to me.

>I think HOF worthy careers are people who can't be stopped simply by kicking the other way.

>Not at all, if we were talking about more than 19 TDs maybe I'd reconsider.

Well which is it lol

>And he's only trailing Hester by 4 TDs

That’s a lot when you’re talking about 14 vs 10. Almost 30% less. Imagine if the NBA scoring leader was 30% above second place…

Not at all, if we were talking about more than 19 TDs maybe I'd reconsider. If you're going to put one PR in, you could make a case for Brian Mitchell over him since he did it more consistently over a longer period and was a better positional player. He's 2nd all time in AP yardage and Hester is 49th. And he's only trailing Hester by 4 TDs

Idk, makes sense to me that the NFL should have at least one punt returner in the HOF, and he’s the obvious choice.

He definitely had a major drop off, but that doesn’t negate from what he was able to accomplish. It seems to me that even if he continued at the pace of his first 2 years, you’d still say he isn’t worthy of being in the HOF by virtue of being a special teams player anyways.

It's a solid argument regardless of his primarily being a ST player. His peak was 2 years. 11 total returns in 2 years then 8 over the next 7 seasons. Put that kind of statistical drop off on any player in the NFL and they aren't making the HOF. He's simply not a HOF player, unless all you care about is one record.

Then why did you even mention the distribution of punt returns throughout his career? If special teams players are automatically not suited for the HOF, that should be irrelevant.

I'd argue that they don't and they haven't been up until now.

In other words, special teams players aren’t worth HOF?

I think HOF worthy careers are people who can't be stopped simply by kicking the other way.

Boy I hope Russell Wilson keeps catching strays until the heat death of the universe.

Of course not. But I don’t think the distribution of returns throughout his career should necessarily play a role in their decision making. The fact that he has the most punt returns in NFL history (by a wide margin) takes precedence over that.

So everyone who has one NFL record makes the Hall of Fame? Seems like a crazy low bar.

That’s one way to look at it. Another is that he has the most punt returns in NFL history.

Lawyer here. This shit is going noooo where

Man has more career MVP votes than Russell Wilson.

Glad to see Chuck Howley finally make it. Only player on the losing team in a Super Bowl get the mvp. He had a cleaners store up the street from where I grew up. This was back when players had summer jobs or side jobs to make ends meet.

They have OPOY and DPOY

This makes me so proud to be a fellow athletic trainer! Go Denny!

Yea people have long said they need a Cy Young type of award for QBs though I guess the MVP is it and the OPOY and DPOY are for the rest of the positions.

Colin Robinson?!