Not saying this would happen but I find most of your arguments to be either wildly ahistorical or childish. First of all, the social murder of the poor is not an all or nothing game. And it does not require the most cartoonishly evil murder weapon possible to be done. We’ve seen it happen multiple times in history without Boston dynamics dogs strapped with guns executing order 66 for your Reddit epic awards.

>rich people do not see themselves as a collective in group

(Citation needed)- hundreds of years of history in everything from self consciously bourgeois revolutions to collective action within political parties to squash “populism,” even into personal lives in where the extremely wealthy are educated (in a place like England for example, they’re all largely together in a group of schools from the time they can read, and continue onto one of a handful of elite universities), even just to the modern intermingling of celebrity, business, and political culture all coalesce to tell me you already have no idea what you’re talking about.

The rich do in fact have a sense of class solidarity, that’s why in almost every western country, income is the most accurate predictor of voting outcome. Not race, gender, or social sensibility. Of course there’s infighting within the upper classes, that’s why you have (in America) democratic billionaires who recommend austerity and deregulation, and republican billionaires who recommend the same. The base of the parties are different, but as you climb the ladder of wealth it becomes increasingly easy to hop back and forth with cultural affect as it suits you. This is why someone like Elon could be a darling of the Democratic Party one year, because they’re more likely to pass policy benefiting an electric car baron, and republican the next, for some nice tax cuts, and an “Antiwoke” affect amongst other things.

Of course there are internal lines within an income bracket, a shopkeeper and a lawyer or doctor will have different interests, and these interests have interesting consequences within politics… but we won’t get into that, the fact is you start off your argument by saying “class politics don’t exist”

Laughable. Truly laughable. I don’t even feel the need to continue. But I will. Just a little while.

Any moral argument can be dismissed because of historical precedent. The Eugenicist political movement did not start (entirely) as a fight for racial purity but as class war coming from the upper class of England. See, Malthus popularized the idea that overpopulation was a serious problem and subsequently academics argued that things like poverty and criminality were familial, heritable traits. I can link some papers if you’d like, or some modern academics writing about it, or even a fun podcast about it.

The rich sought to, and enacted in government and private industry, policies to purposefully and systematically kill the poor through what would come to be called “social murder.” It’s from the social movement that brought us the workhouse that we still get a lot of our talking points about overpopulation today, even if “heritability” has at least partially been stripped out, but that’s neither here nor there.

Only later, did this expand from familial and class based thinking into racialized thinking, specifically when these ideologies were exported to the United States (especially the south, although a majority of states would enact at least a handful of directly eugenics-based laws), and then from there back to Europe again.

If you don’t think such a thing is at least possible to rise again as a method of class war under say, unprecedented and worsening climate crisis leading to lower crop yields and heightening social tensions, i really don’t know what to tell you.

As for the idea that the rich are slow to build up mass killing machines powered by robots, what do you call the massive expansion of drone warfare? They may not be autonomous, but since the great War liberal internationalists have written about and theorized a “humane War” to be fought without soldiers, or waged on enemy combatants without putting a soldier in harms way. That’s not to say that all the poor and wretched of the world will be killed in one fell swoop or anything like that, just to point out that between surveillance capitalism and automation within the military (and eventually the police), we could be headed for a more brutal world for the underclasses.

The idea that the rich would have any trouble investing in violence rather than practical solutions that could be cheaper is laughable if you take even one look at even local politics, and how much money can be demonstrably saved by housing the homeless for free. Costs on policing, costs on hospitals, costs on social services, all around, could be saved several times over, and it’s been done before. But where does money in the largest cities tend to go instead? Directly into police budgets.

Now as to any action like this requiring a United front, I think this misunderstands collective action as well. We’d much more likely see the return of poor houses accompanied by lower wages and harsher policing as a means to accomplish the social murder of the poor than some single mass culling of the poor like you’d see in a science fiction movie. This seems to be where most of your problem comes from. You’ve already picked the method, and decided that intent is necessary. But the Victorian bourgeois didn’t need everyone to be on board. Only the ones with political power. Hell, most of them didn’t need to be conscious of what was happening on the ground for the impoverished. Their own world was segregated enough that they could dismiss it as inevitable or unfortunate.

So what do I think is likely to happen as a worst case scenario if not exactly the “mass culling” you imagine?

A slow, grinding reduction of quality of life amongst the middle and lower classes, a collapse of the middle class altogether back into the working class they arose from, a steep increase in deaths by preventable causes, continued and steepening asset price inflation preventing the lower classes from building wealth, consolidation amongst corporations and property owners, increased wealth inequality, the return of the company town, increased police militarization, the criminalization of parts of life previously untouched by a police presence, increased surveillance, harsher penalties for deviance or delinquency, and violent crackdowns on social unrest, the return of great power conflict and proxy wars. Anything sound familiar with processes already historically under way?

Much more akin to the conversion of parts of the world into an open air prison than the machine war from terminator.

Cool now do AI engineered communicable pathogens, virii and infectious agents.

Obviously it should be prohibited to have AI do your work for you when you're learning a new skill, but that just seems like it would be common sense to those who want to learn that skill.

It should be illegal to use AI to get a degree or certification in your name, also obviously, but I can't think of any reason it should be illegal for anyone to use AI to accomplish any job it can.

Now that’s a Bing-0 and I don’t even have to read it all

10 years you say ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnFZAB9ogEE

this is supposed to be released next year

Yah i guess i think it depends on timeline of AGI vs ASI and who controls the keys to AGI.

If we hit ASI in the next say, 20 years, i agree with your point of were at the whims of the new superintelligence (this also assumes it is free/others develop it that allow it to be free, if the US govt gets ASI but keeps it on a tight air gapped leash then that doesnt help) if ASI is alot harder than people think and instead we just have extremely advanced protoAGI/AGI thats controlled by specific groups i can see the massive labor layoffs happen and then society in large will be at the mercy of what UBI/social welfare laws are passed (or not)

Good alpaca

Aye, I can do that

A possible scenario.

Of course this post only covers the topic of a mass genocidal cull by the rich's robot armies of Doom because, for some reason, there seems to have been an uptick of people proclaiming that such a scenario is fated to happen sooner or later.

Personally, I doubt the gated community scenario will happen, simply because I think AGI will hit us before we've both worked out the tech and created the infrastructure to churn out killbots. After which it either subjugates us or takes the wheel for our species and helps us along our evolutionary path and avoid doomsday of our own making.

The cynic in me immediately agrees but thinking about this more begs the question: What is really being said here? That there are millions of dollars worth of money to be had in eliminating overpaid CEOs with AI.

The more AI is trusted to return profit, the more studies that have been shown to improve productivity by using 4 day work weeks or similar will be used by a hyper efficient AI to grow.

What if such an AI determines that having more healthy consumers is better to increase quarterly profits and begins lobbying for social safety nets, identifying a long term benefit for short term investment?

Far fetched, maybe. But an interesting line of thinking.

They could put this on a four wheel base and spend more time developing the arms and have a better end product.

Will the rich build a robot army with the goal of genocide? Of course not, I doubt anyone maybe short of some crazy person would do that. (As we’ve seen in history much more likely genocide would revolve around race, religion or ideology)

Would they take all the wealth created and retreat to gate communities defended by kill bots and ignore the suffering outside their gates? Yah we’re already 80% of the way there. That’s the issue, people will demand UBI or higher taxes and help in providing basics and the rich will use their lobbyists and power to shoot down that legislation. Normally you would have a revolt/revolution but that won’t happen because it would be pistols and some ARs vs a robot controlled Abraham tank and robot f35.

There won’t be out right genocide just immoral indifference to suffering.

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This post is SPECIFICALLY for the robot army doomsday scenario. With some touch up on bioweapons and nanotechnology since those are the other two frontrunner.

It took me over an hour to write this mini essay. No way am I going to try and cover EVERY potential cause for apocalypse in one post with equal attention to detail.

This post also does not entertain supervillain or illuminati levels of ridiculously complex/convoluted schemes. Simply that it would open the discussion up to equally far out rebuttals (I.E. We don't need to worry since aliens/Jesus will show up and save us if things get too bad.)

If anyone can show me proof for such a level of scheme, maybe I'll make a post about it.

For now though, considering the time frame postulated and the means describe, I'm assuming your either talking about some flavourful of lethal vaccine scheme or insectoid nanodrones with lethal injection payloads.

Neither of which I find particularly likely for a global cull. The latter is too overly elaborate, and necessitates complex technology that, if achieved, would be better spent on the nanobot kill plan.

The former meanwhile suffers from the same perfect cooperation, timing, logistics, motive, and basically all other points I levied against robots EXCEPR this time it's in a far more mass produce able package that is nonetheless also far easier to avoid.

I'm saying all this from an objective standpoint assuming that what you propose is true.

It ain't killing us all. So feel free to take a breath of relief and go about your day.

Yeah but its a tool, banning it does not mean they can never use it for assignments, it just means that if your paper was detected to be written 100% by chatgpt then you get a zero.

Then you missed the initial rise of the eugenicist political movement. Don’t worry, none of us were alive, but in its earliest incarnations in England it was about tying specific families to criminality and poverty in England, and called for the slow systematic eradication of the poor. In this process and as it was exported elsewhere it became racialized, but make no mistake, initially it was class war.

Calculators should be banned until after Algebra 1, and if an elementary school child pulls off using ChatGPT to write his book report on Lewis and Clarke and the teacher doesn’t recognize it was computer plagiarized …the teacher doesn’t care or is incompetent either way should be terminated.

1. I already addressed them using Nanobots or Bioweapons as a more likely scenario.

2. This post was made specifically in response to the weird uptick of people on this very sub who insist that, no, it's totally going to be a robot army straight out of a Terminator movie.

OP have you been living under the rock for past 2 years ?? Kill jab is exactly how they start curling people en mass!

Given how most tech billionaires seem to be sci fi nerds, it seems more likely that the rich would incentivize is to move to Mars or something rather than just kill everyone

*When the shareholders AI investment tools decide for them

I'm betting on humanoid bots. I see it kind of like PCs. I think mass manufacturing something general purpose would be more economical than having to manufacture separate bots for each task.

I have seen working contracts of CEOs changing their workplace / firm... their demands are out of touch of reality. You could pay for the development of new anti-cancer therapies and their clinical trials for what they demand behind closed doors. Best thing: Someone demanded three different luxury cars because he had to do business with people from different countries (that came to his country) and he wanted to leave a "culture specific impression" on them - in the end the supervisiory boards gave their "ok" because of his explaination. Its not like you could rent them before the meeting you had to buy them all. Literally one car for meetings with asian clients, one for meetings with european clients and one for meetings with key-account people. The chance that they actually see the car parked before a Restaurant etc. or another meeting place is not so high or important...

There is actually a purpose behind making it humanoid, It means that we don't have to adapt the environment to suit the robot.

Yes im sure the shareholders will put all the profits that would go to the ceo back into the workers, surely.