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TheSecretAgenda t1_jd0pku8 wrote
Reply to comment by petermobeter in A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
If the poor are trying to kill the rich, then that will be all the motivation they need.
AvgAIbot t1_jd0ph8m wrote
Reply to comment by SharpCartographer831 in How long till until humanoid bots in supermarkets? by JosceOfGloucester
Wow that’s insane they got it in a slim form factor. I wonder if they’re using AI to advance the designs and engineering.
TheSecretAgenda t1_jd0pee1 wrote
Reply to comment by just-a-dreamer- in A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
And the Fermi Paradox is solved.
TheSecretAgenda t1_jd0ozym wrote
Reply to A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
They won't use a blunt instrument like a "robot army". An engineered virus for which only they are vaccinated, nanobots the clog arteries or a poison for which they only have the antidote are far more likely scenarios. I read a novel recently where robots poisoned all the fresh water with lead.
Lartnestpasdemain t1_jd0ou3x wrote
Eleganos OP t1_jd0ncg2 wrote
Reply to comment by Thatingles in A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
Honestly, the accidental route is more than plausible, small scale.
Issue is, when we see a culling happening in one country due to the course of events you point out, no sane person is going to stay complacent and wait for it to happen to them too.
It has to happen 'everywhere' and 'all at once' for the the organic route to occur globally for a successful poor people genocide. Maybe when they're in power they'd coordinate to make it so after the fact, but power hungry megalomaniac are enot known for their cooperation, and are very much known for having a 'fuck you got mine' mindset.
And it would still require the group with power to unanimously want us all dead. Lots of rich and powerful folk are egomaniacs who need throngs of brain dead supporters to stock their egos. Maybe they're th eonly ones who live, but it still means the lower classes get to survive.
One way I'd put it is your scenario is as likely to happen sometime this century as an organic worldwide communist revolution would have been last century. All the pieces in play, right motivations, means are available, so on and so forth.
Reason communist revolution never happened is in alot of places people just couldn't be bothered to seize the means of production.
In this scenario, I really think that the rich just wouldn't care about putting in the effort. If they've basically won, why bother doing a coup de grace when you can instead parade your victory to the starving masses for the rest of time (if their AGI doesn't kill them all off at some point).
Anyways, I sent see America, Britain, China, Australia, Japan, Israel, France, Germany, and so on all suffering this exact centric amongst them, sl again, it's not really feasible in scale to begin with.
All it takes is one nation with undisclosed nukes or the will and means to aquire them to secure their continued existences and that of their allies via M.A.D., if not risk using them to get rid of the problem at the source.
mwassler t1_jd0n0xt wrote
Reply to comment by 350ADay in Teachers wanted to ban calculators in 1988. Now, they want to ban ChatGPT. by redbullkongen
10 * 10 = 100 drops mic
DarkCeldori t1_jd0mvbm wrote
Reply to comment by EvilSporkOfDeath in How long till until humanoid bots in supermarkets? by JosceOfGloucester
Ideally itd also be biological so you cant even tell people have been replaced.
Eleganos OP t1_jd0ljaf wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
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What happens when "the richest person" doesn't care about killing all of humanity for no worthwhile reason whatsoever.
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How is this richest person enacting this "join or die" plan going to be enforcing the "die" part of his offer? If he needs them to join then they need the assets of these other people. Meaning they don't yet have the assets for a giant army of doom. Meaning they'd need the help of human mercenaries and assasins. Whom I'm pretty sure would have enough critical thinking to realize that someone planning on wiping out most of humanity wouldn't be the type to let them so much as live just because they did their employer's bidding.
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How do they plan on getting the world's governments on board? Since, yoy know, nukes still beat Doom robots. And head's of state are not generally know to cave into the demands of wannabe supervillains.
This possibility is even worse than most others sinceeven the other rich people don't want it, meaning their is literally nothing getting in the way of these highly affluent well connected people from going on live TV and saying "hey, I'm being targeted by assassins and need 24/7 CIA protection. This is the person doing it."
Or any other myriad of ways things get leaked. Maybe the lesser rich person offers more than the big rich is paying their mercy and turns the tables with an assassination of their own.
The only way a conspiracy like this works is if everyone is on the same page. When people who actively do not want to kill off humanity are included, it just increases the odds of word getting out.
Thatingles t1_jd0ku63 wrote
Reply to A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
I don't think it will happen either, but you are missing an obvious route to carnage; the route of accident, circumstance, deceit, incompetence and failure. In that scenario, it starts out with 'reasonable measures', 'law and order', 'supporting the military' and so on. Over time the frog gets boiled as none of the individual steps seem so terrible, or at least are terrible but happening to other, 'bad' people. Then one day we wake up to find we've handed over all the power and control to a small group of people that no longer need anything from the rest of us AND we've actually paid to build up the systems of control and management that allow it.
So I agree a deliberate plan to reach this outcome would probably fail for some of the reasons you have outlined, but an accidental, paved-with-good-intentions route? Yeah, that's totally believable.
Animas_Vox t1_jd0kgpl wrote
Reply to Replacing the CEO by AI by e-scape
A nice article from the onion:
CEO relieved AI can never replace him if he already contributes nothing to the company
https://www.theonion.com/ceo-relieved-ai-can-never-replace-him-if-he-already-con-1850129310
DukkyDrake t1_jd0k8x1 wrote
Reply to comment by EvilSporkOfDeath in How long till until humanoid bots in supermarkets? by JosceOfGloucester
It doesn't, but people are stuck on their scifi expectations.
kindred_asura t1_jd0jy7e wrote
Reply to comment by leywesk in Replacing the CEO by AI by e-scape
Yep people are delusional in here.
Oops_Carpet t1_jd0jspq wrote
Reply to A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
I agree. It also doesn't make sense why the rich would want that power in the first place. The most likely thing they could want is a bunker with full dive VR to live out any existence they want.
[deleted] t1_jd0jjy3 wrote
Reply to comment by Eleganos in A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
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visarga t1_jd0j369 wrote
Reply to comment by TinyBurbz in Teachers wanted to ban calculators in 1988. Now, they want to ban ChatGPT. by redbullkongen
Today, of course it isn't. But it will be like the internet - with time passing all things will depend on it. Without internet commerce, industry and banking would crash. We used to be ok without electricity 120 years ago, but today we can't exist without it anymore.
leywesk t1_jd0j07n wrote
Reply to comment by Education-Sea in Replacing the CEO by AI by e-scape
Serious? do you really think that a company that hires an AI as CEO to save costs, will increase the salary of an employee??
That was the best joke I've seen today.
visarga t1_jd0ipc9 wrote
Reply to comment by zifahm in Teachers wanted to ban calculators in 1988. Now, they want to ban ChatGPT. by redbullkongen
When I was a kid they taught a bit of set theory at kindergarten. Concepts like set, union, intersection, count, etc. They all can be done with pretty pictures and coloring books.
DirkDayZSA t1_jd0iiyp wrote
Reply to comment by just-a-dreamer- in A technical, non-moralist breakdown of why the rich will not, and cannot, kill off the poor via a robot army. by Eleganos
If your ideology is built upon the goal of exterminating the out-group, you don't hold hands and sing Kumbaya after you're done. You define another out-group.
TinyBurbz t1_jd0htn7 wrote
Most likely never.
Future bots would most undoubtedly look more like Star Wars with an assortment of purpose built designs; with humanoid bots used only for social interaction.
Akimbo333 t1_jd0hqwu wrote
To do other tasks like customer engagement. And can be more maneuverable. A humanoid robot would be much smaller and can assist a customer who trips or to stop a shop lifter or gunman. But it could take 10-30 years until we have such a bot. The Optimus bot is rudimentary at best.
visarga t1_jd0hl3r wrote
Reply to comment by mrmelts in Teachers wanted to ban calculators in 1988. Now, they want to ban ChatGPT. by redbullkongen
Instead of posing a threat to education, I believe that GPT has the potential to benefit children by individualized tutoring in an engaging style. Customized instruction has proven to be highly effective, so AI instruction could be effective as well. Homework would be unnecessary since all activities would be addressed during the tutoring sessions. The AI could guide discussions to specific subjects and focus on them, simultaneously teaching and evaluating. The degree of personalization achievable and the meticulous attention to detail are unparalleled. An AI could assess your knowledge and fine-tune its teaching approach. I would be thrilled to have access to such a system even as an adult. It could seamlessly integrate spaced repetition into an interesting conversation that avoids monotony. But conversational AI tutoring has no age limit, it could be used even by kids. There are lots and lots of bored kids who don't have anyone older to play with.
Akimbo333 t1_jd0hibn wrote
Reply to comment by greatdrams23 in How long till until humanoid bots in supermarkets? by JosceOfGloucester
To do other tasks like customer engagement. And can be more maneuverable.
MaddMax92 t1_jd0gy8c wrote
Reply to comment by redbullkongen in Teachers wanted to ban calculators in 1988. Now, they want to ban ChatGPT. by redbullkongen
>It's the feature >get use to it
Shit; if that's how you write on your own, then no wonder you need ChatGPT as a crutch.
NeonCityNights t1_jd0qenw wrote
Reply to How long till until humanoid bots in supermarkets? by JosceOfGloucester
Not for a long time