Recent comments in /f/singularity

Eleganos OP t1_jczw5a1 wrote

I did address how bioweapons would be a far more plausible way this all could go down, though I didn't want to dig into it since this was a focused rebuttal specifically against the sudden influx of people I've been noticing who insist that It'll be the murder bots who do us in.

I would also say that in the example you gave of the one elite doing it, it also stops being 'the rich will cull us!' And becomes 'one psychopath who happened to be rich rldecided to murder us all for the funsies'

In that scenario I would again point out though that, with a population of 8 billion, there would be a hell of alot of one in a million chances swirling around. Heck, in the event of 1 vs the world, you'd get eight one-in-a-billion chances. If nothing else I feel like one of those miracles would lead to people surviving, even if it was just a perfect combination of genes to make them resistant to the bioweapon. And some of whom would probably be rich of government individuals themselves. And hence would have the resources along with motive to give the murderous monster their just desserts.

So while it would still be a doomsday scenario, I don't see it working out for the instigator. And with the help of AGI, whoever was left would be able to rebuild.

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Surur t1_jczvy39 wrote

How much would Elon Musk be worth when 720 million potential customers are dead and only 80 million people, who prefer to be driven in Bentleys, are left.

How rich will the Walmart heirs be when their store customers are rotting in the aisles?

The wealth of the 1% of based on business with the 99%.

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Midgreezy t1_jczvvy8 wrote

Even if this is feasible, the CEO pay would not be past down to the workers. It would go to the shareholders in the form of stock buybacks or some other creative scheme to rob the worker of the value they created. Essentially nothing changes for the average person.

We're just heading toward machine assisted feudalism.

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D_Ethan_Bones t1_jczv5kj wrote

When shareholders decide a computer will make the best decisions, a computer will start making important decisions. Titles are bullshit.

I'd trust a superhuman computer to steer the ship I'm on more than I'd trust the the typical human leader of today. Today's human captains sink ships and get promoted to admiral by blaming it all on the deckswabber.

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Education-Sea t1_jczujco wrote

In this case, with a non-human CEO that does not absorb profits, the workers in general would earn much more money...

Interesting...

EDIT: Well, my comment caused quite a controversy. That's all right. It is poorly formulated anyway, and half-serious. I do however, belive the automation of bosses will help the workers. But, we will need to abandon the modern company-form entirely.

We need Cybersyn.

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Smellz_Of_Elderberry t1_jczsoal wrote

They, wouldn't use ai and a robot army to do any of this. The logistics of a culling would be quite elementary if you weren't using robots.. There are several viable ways.

A highly transmissable virus, or pathogen with a long dormant phase, and a near 100% death rate. By the time symptoms start popping up from the contamination of say, corn syrup, or any food staple, the overwhelming majority of the world would already have been exposed.

Or one could introduce chemical agents designed to sterilize over long periods of consumption, or to initiate incurable disease early in life. (The long game)

A robot army is infinitely more work, and more complex, and provides significantly less reward.

Ai has already unlocked an unimaginable amount of new proteins and chemicals.. it will soon unlock the downright cornucopia of genetic engineering... Imagine mosquitos that reproduce every time they bite someone. Eggs enter the circulatory system, hatch, and grow inside the body. Nothing is stopping this, except resources and intelligence, both of which will be available aplenty post agi.

You're right that there is little incentive to do this, but you only need it to happen one time. Perhaps 99.9999999% of the elites or people in general won't seek such an outcome, but all it would take is 1.

Hopefully I'm just a negative Nancy, with an overactive imagination.

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Surur t1_jczsf4o wrote

1% of 8 billion is 80 million.

USA is the richest country in the world, with 330 million people.

It stands to reason the majority of the 80 million will be Americans.

Americans also have the most guns and advanced killing technology in the world, and most don't have a passport.

I think it is very likely the 1% is indeed plotting to kill off the rest of the world.

It turns out the phone call is indeed coming from inside the house.

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magnets-are-magic t1_jczs8oe wrote

It makes up sources even when you explicitly tell it not to. I’ve tried a variety of approaches and it’s unavoidable in my experience. It will make up authors, book/article/paper titles, dates, statistics, content, etc - it will make all of them up and will confidently tell you that they’re real and accurate.

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2cimarafa t1_jczoq2q wrote

I agree, there's no really viable scenario for a tiny number of rich people to preserve all their wealth and power while exterminating the rest of the population through some covert scheme. The vast majority of wealth is in any case tied to productive capital, which mass automation of labor sans UBI would destroy in a catastrophic deflationary spiral, meaning most of the rich would lose their wealth too as asset prices fell through the floor.

What is more possible is UBI, but even in such a case people will ask questions about why those who happened to be rich in 2025 get to stay rich forever, while everyone else has to be poor on welfare forever.

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