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zifahm t1_jczj9vx wrote

I'd never understand the argument for memorization. If you are using an Excel spreadsheet, u'll clearly won't do stuff via hand and also the formula is neither memorised.

The mere notion of getting stuff done and getting the answer correct using a tool seems largely offensive to PPL.

I'd say if a person does not need to learn to compute maths that can be done by an external computing machine, the he or she can invest his brain power in more difficult tasks.

This just shows the faliure of our schools where more complicated subjects are not introduced early and easy things like calculating stuff by a calculator taught early.

I'd recommend teaching 3rd grade kifs general relativity with a calculator on hand and by the time they hit college they would have learned torroids and quantum mechanics. Using calculators for faster compute.

This would clearly bring more prosperity to the human society.

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MisterViperfish t1_jczh7zh wrote

Canadian here, we weren’t allowed calculators until we got to graphing. People in my class still sucked at math, not because of calculators, but because they stopped doing most of the work. We did have calculators to take out at certain points, because they allowed for context and demonstrations sometimes. So while there were lazy idiots, I will say that for those who wanted to learn, they were very useful. Personally, I would never blindly trust ChatGPT to write an essay for me. I know I’d get caught eventually. But I might be the type to use it iteratively and ask for feedback. I type a little, feed it to ChatGPT, ask what it thinks and where it could improve. I wouldn’t consider that cheating, as feedback is the sort of thing an ideal teacher does anyway. I might get it to reword some things for me after I already typed it, and proof read it to figure out HOW it improved it. I’m still incentivized to learn this way because I get something done quicker if I can just rapidly type it out myself, but I also get direct feedback to correct my mistakes while I am still in the headspace I was in while I made them.

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TinyBurbz t1_jczcrrn wrote

>Knowing how to write an effective essay is going to be useless in 5 years. Essays are inefficient ways to communicate information.

There is a reason essay writing is important, owing nothing to "efficiency"

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>It would be like teaching high schools blacksmithing when we have cnc machining.

Funny you mention it, if you want to do machining you usually start with basic metalworking; so this comparison is weak as your remarks about efficiency.

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Straight-Comb-6956 t1_jczaomm wrote

>Knowing how to write an effective essay is going to be useless in 5 years. Essays are inefficient ways to communicate information.

Ability to express your thoughts in a structured manner is a useful skill, unless you're a wage slave at an Amazon's warehouse. Essays may be dead, sure, but the key principles are the same for any communication method.

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Eleganos t1_jcz7xm1 wrote

I count myself amongst those people.

Not so much because I'm particularly special but because me and my dad brainstormed this out over our last summer vacation due to listening to the Emberverse series in audio book format while traveling between provinces in car.

We've kept on doing it for fun since and basically have a game plan ready if all of the above were to happen.

(Long story short we drive to Albert's, and since it's a food exporting province which ships a disproportionate amount out, and since another of that food couldn't be shipped out without powered transportation, it would be a prime location to easily source food.)

Honestly, probably just posting this reply since this is the only time I'll ever be able to organically bring up this game plan in any meaningful capacity online.

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zifahm t1_jcz7x4t wrote

I have the same issue with chess as well, why can't chess players look at their phones and get the best recommend move to defeat their opponents. The opponent has the same ability too. Also maybe add an "ask you coach or team life line as well"

Chess with AI and life lines would be way more fun than 1-1 games been done for the last 100 years

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Eleganos t1_jcz6tm6 wrote

That works for the few weeks op stated.

Assuming your actually able to do so ans don't get instantly bumped off by your local criminals and law enforcement, congrats, you've bought yourself a couple months before the local stores of food run dry.

What're you going to do a few years into this scenario when there isn't any food left to steal (at least from groups you feasibly could steal from. A fully armed military base, rich person's bunker or prepper compound does not count. )

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Cartossin t1_jcz5wsl wrote

I think it's only obvious when very little care is put into its use. If you just dump the homework in and paste in the output, it might seem suspiciously uncharacteristic. However, if you use specific prompts to generate specific parts of the thing you're trying to write, at some point you can make it totally plausible that you wrote the whole thing.

I should hope that a good writer would have enough artistic integrity to use it for ideas, but still construct all their own sentences.

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User1539 t1_jcz0uft wrote

Yeah, I've definitely found that in coding. It does work at the level of a very fast and reasonably competent junior coder. But, it doesn't 'understand' what it's doing, like it's just copying what looks right off stack overflow and gluing it all together.

Which, if I need a straight forward function written might be useful, but it's not going to design applications you'd want to work with in its current state.

Of course, in a few weeks we'll be talking about GPT5 and who even knows what that'll look like?

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