I think it should be used only in certain cases. It certainly isn’t going to help if they use these tools for everything

Comparing calculators to AI is a little disingenuous

But how would it know what you want?

Edit: do you mean something like Tiktok where some recommender shows you a bunch of clips (or whatever other generations) it thinks you'd like then optimizes it's "prompts" in the background to your preferences?

I wish calculator weren't allowed in school for a lot longer; I think I'd have retained more math skills.

If the resource is accessible and acceptable on the job, it should be in the classroom. As a PM if one of my team can solve the problem faster and more accurately by using tools available on the internet, vs another teammember using memory + trial and error, then the former is more valuable. If education is primarily for preparing individuals for the workforce, they should be able to use the same resources they would use in the workforce.

You have to realize how the nail and wood work together before you use the hammer.

Honestly though I still have to use my fingers when counting and I wish I wouldn’t have been so reliant on calculators because it’s embarrassing.

this is what you're not getting bud.. it shouldn't require any brainpower at all. basic arithmetic should be near instaneous. It was for me until I got to higher level maths and started relying heavily on my calculator.

And they were right. Pull a random person off the street and ask them to do a two digit multiplication problem with pencil and paper, I bet you can't find one that can do it.

For essays the assignment could be to have chat gpt respond to a prompt, and then completing a critical analysis?

yeah, I think the teachers won this argument

GPT4 is a little better about this, but where it excels the most is when used as a partner, rather than a replacement. You still have to know what you're doing to effectively use what it gives you.

Knowing how to write an effective essay is going to be useless in 5 years. Essays are inefficient ways to communicate information.

It would be like teaching high schools blacksmithing when we have cnc machining.

BingGPT does cite the source

So, as a young guy few years after grad exams I really don’t understand all the people who say here calculators should have been banned in school long time ago.

I studied chemistry and rules where to use only the most basic calculator on exam. It was hard and tedious, but I managed to get really good with all the calculations, like counting complex logarithms without it. So, and as soon as I passed and went to uni I realized this knowledge was completely useless and completely forgot it all in a year or so as everyone uses calculators for this now and during my work I will always have a calculator nearby.

My point is, world is changing and there is not that many practical reasons to stick to the traditional ways of doing things, as it is not what’s currently valued on market. Knowing how to make complicate calculations without calculator will not impress your employer, as he would probably prefer the other person who does the job twice as fast but with the calculator. Same for chat GPT. Now it’s just one program, but in 10 years it might be as common thing as Google and mobile phones (oh, and remember times when you couldn’t use any info from internet for your research papers? Needless to say how this aged)

All well educated Asian kids do math at school without calculator. If you are not good at basic calculations, you won’t be good at algebra, geometry. …

To clarify with some additional details, I probably could have spent less on the computer; I sprang for 384 GB of DDR4 and 1 TB NVMe to make loading models faster.

Thanks for sharing your insights. I suspect a lot of teachers are seeing the same things you're seeing at the moment.

But I think the real test will come when ChatGPT gets more sophisticated and harder to detect. The current versions are plenty flawed. But they're not going to stay that way. They're going to keep improving. I'm sure there's a better way to manage its use in education. I'm just not sure what it is and I hope teachers are considering this as they move forward.

Even if teachers succeed in banning it, I doubt that ban will be enforceable on a large scale. This emerging generation is too tech savvy and too connected. If one person finds a way around it, then everyone will know within a few days at most.

I think it just makes more sense to re-evaluate how we actually teach kids certain concepts. We also need to ask questions like...is making them write essays really the most effective way to learn a concept?

I think it can cite sources if you ask it to, or at least it can find supporting data to back up its claims.

That said, my personal experience with ChatGPT was like working with a student who's highly motivated and very fast, but only copying off other people's work without any real understanding.

So, for instance, I'd ask it to code something ... and the code would compile and be 90% right, but Chat GPT would confidently state 'I'm opening port 80', even though the code was clearly opening port 8080, which is extremely common in example code.

So, you could tell it was copying a common pattern, without really understanding what it was doing.

It's still useful, but it's not 'intelligent', so yeah ... you'd better check those sources before you believe anything ChatGPT says.

If you're struggling with basic arithmetic, that's kind of the whole problem.

>strongest

I am running LLaMA 30B at home at full fp16. Takes 87 GB of VRAM on six AMD Insight MI25s and speed is reasonable but not fast (It can spit out a sentence in 10-30 seconds or so in a dialog / chatbot context depending on the length of the response.) While the hardware is not "consumer hardware" per se, it's old datacenter hardware, the cost was in line with the kind of money you would spend on a middling gaming setup. The computer cost about $1500 to build up and the GPUs to put in it set me back about $500.

Oh, it started a minute ago. Nice of y’all to catch up. How are those TPS reports coming?

We allowed them even in tests but that started in highschool. Sometimes there would be a no calc section.

That's how it's always been done? Calculators were banned until I hit algebra, and there were calc free sections of tests until like highschool.