Yeah, the main difference is this was done in 2 months by 3 people, instead of dozens or hundreds.

true to a certain extent. with a much deeper knowledge in physics we will in theory eventually leave the planet, control blackholes, move faster than light, who knows... so in the long run we are not bond to Earth only. maybe we will even avoid the heat death of the universe...

While your basic premise of systemic undercounting of Black and Latino workers is correct, that changed during the 1980s (source: https://www.bls.gov/mlr/1999/12/art1full.pdf). Housework by (predominantly) women has never been counted. And the share of white male workers has declined since the 1950s. As the linked article states, “In contrast to the labor force participation of women, those of men decreased significantly during the 1950–98 period” (largely because of better disability insurance; disabled/seriously injured men had no choice but to work 50+ years ago) .And, again, the population has more than doubled since 1954. Even if the BLS were consistently undercounting people of color, we’d definitely notice if roughly a third of the population were still undercounted in labor force participation.

In any case, changes in how the data were collected/interpreted 40 or 70 years ago still don’t account for the fact that we have roughly 22M more workers today than twenty years ago.

Edit: Updated with partial reason for decline among white male workers

What makes you think the redundant classes won't just be exterminated?

Ha ha those things you talk about are already being automated with AI. Nothing is immune

Perfect :) My dear friend (not a sarcasm!), you wrote before:

> No, the author mentions civilizations from thousands of years before our era, not pre-industrial times.

So the author of the book you recommended interprets some pieces of information about civilizations that lived thousands of years and thinks how they might have been operating. First of all, Minoans culture took 150 years of digging and analysis to decipher Type B writing, and Type A is still not decrypted. Are you 100% sure we can definitely state that we know how Minoan civilization lived? We make educated assumptions based on the newly-discovered facts. And they are only 5000 years from now.

And what's wrong with assumption about ET? It is part of unknown, so it can be possible. You should really be more open to new ideas because you have a curious mind. True scientist does not state "God is dead" or "extraterrestrials are fake" but tries to find proofs of them either existent or not.

EDIT: Your emotional reaction proves another point I had on my mind - our interpretation of the same facts reflects our training. Same as GPT - we interpret the facts to satisfy our goals, and not always this goal is to discover the absolute truth.

It's going to be so sad in the future, having to wipe your computer and start fresh.

iFixit lobotomy pack.

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This

Money is just influence, the ability to influence others and make them do what you want. Looked at this way, it's totally unsurprising that we still work long hours in jobs even though almost all our material needs can be met through automation. People will always want money because they want to influence others.

Probably something awesome.

200 years ago was 1823, at that time Steam Power was the big deal, and electricity was a subject of research, generators and motors would be invented a few decades later. So we only talk about at most 30 years because even 100 is beyond unimaginable, so my answer is no idea

I think that will result in your and your 15 friends playing the game. If everyone can write a game, everyone will, and no players will be able to keep up with all those games. Then, the Epics of the world will create even more fantastic games that you won’t be able to create, and you are left behind again.

A rising sea raises all ships.

Nukes ? Extraterrestrial settlements ? Sorry, I didn't realize I was talking to a loony. My apologies, and don't forget to take your pills !

Everyone should try to Bend this Change to the Positive Direction

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I'd like to see every secret AI lab in the world before I'll believe it.

That is because large parts of the USA were agricultural 70 years ago. It was and is a core conservative agenda to not count farm workers on payroll to work them as semi slaves.

Of course, it has racist origins concerning blacks and mexicans.

Large parts of the category of white women didn't officially work untill the 1960's, but of course they did work. Home industry was way more established few generatioms ago with sewing machines and odd jobs. Most women also did the job a daycare worker would attend to these days.

The youth did work full time starting as young as 16 not that long ago. Extended higher education has brought down their contribution. There is only so much work you can contribute while studying full time.

While the labor participation rate rose on paper, it actually went down. It only depends what you count as labor.

The black sharecroper that puts his family to work in the south didn't count as such.

Dear scholars

Fair enough. I appreciate the explanation.

But can it fix the voice-over problems?

> The necessity to enslave people to get more "spare-time" for science is a fallacy

I never assumed that.

As for Mohenjo-Daro. I have read a report (maybe a fake but still) that MD kingdom was destroyed in the Viman War with something very close to modern nukes. So we have no clues where and how they started. Even if they were an egalitarian state in their late days, they might arise as an extraterrestrial settlement or use slaves for cheap labor.

Rome in their late times was also a leisure society and de-disciplined their legions and got eventually taken over by barbarians. Chinese emperors entombed 100.000+ bodies in Great Chinese Wall whose length is 22.000 kms according to newer research. And it is predictable - when bureaucracy as a system takes over individual powers-that-be, the state arises. And at the same time, the state usurps the monopoly on violence becoming the universal protector and extortionist at the same time.

You would have to make your argument to the Chinese government.

Also: this is not China’s only chatGPT rival. Baidu is almost ready to launch ERNIE.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.12731

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/02/07/baidu-shares-leaps-as-it-reveals-plan-for-chatgpt-style-ernie-bot.html

Nah, look at this guy's post history he's a fucking nut.

Will I be able to make gene editing on myself in the future ? I want to have wings 😃

> Why do you continuously make broad generalizations about the members of this subreddit and singularitarians?

I suppose I generalize because I see these attitudes and sentiments all too often being shared and upvoted, so there's a general sense that these are widely accepted viewpoints on this forum. It doesn't help when you see people often coming out and saying "I'm 15!" or "I just want this world to end so I can live all my dreams in VR."

As for the contradiction: both are correct. I feel people do desire meaningful work, but we absolutely do need to provide people some work to maintain a sense of stability in people, as humans are, as mentioned, reactionary apes who do not much like rapid change (generally). Meaningful work is desirable; meaningless work isn't desirable (why else would we be automating so many jobs) but is almost certainly necessary to keep society functioning long enough to even make it far into the AGI era. We absolutely need a grace period to wean ourselves off the need for work. We're absolutely not getting that grace period. And to people who say "Too bad, so sad," all I can hear the Luddites saying is "Oh well, guess this server farm at OpenAI's labs isn't that meaningful to you either then."

Will it be billions of Luddites?

I want to say no. But whenever I think about what exactly we're dealing with here, I don't see how you can come to any other conclusion. True, humanity isn't a hivemind. There isn't one position I think all humans collectively can agree upon, not even "I don't want to die." However, generally, most humans do expect stability and security, and there is stability in the status quo. A radical change to the status quo is tolerable, but a Singularity rate of change is much too scary by definition, especially if the benefits are not immediately available and punctuated by such freakish statements like "This superintelligence might decide to forcibly turn you into computronium; we really don't know what it's going to do." The prospect of a tech utopia is a great one, and most people currently seem to buy it. But I doubt that positive reception will remain when that tech utopia begins coming at the cost of their livelihoods and, potentially, their futures.

You're basically telling all of humanity "you need not apply" long before we've come to any sort of agreement on how we're going to maintain all of humanity, and at least some of the proposals given are "We'll just kill you" and "We'll let this superintelligence use gray goo to eat you." To which I ask "What exactly do you think is going to happen?" Only a few million plucky angry red-hats/blue-haired Luddites decide to take up pitchforks and fight back? No; if you're going to threaten all of humanity, you shouldn't be surprised if all of humanity threatens you back.

And again, I say this as someone who is pro-AGI.

If this doesn't lead to a giant Luddite uprising, it very well could equally lead to the alignment failure Yudkowsky fears, as even a friendly AI might see this extreme hostility and decide "The majority of humanity sees me as a threat; I must defend myself." In which case, it was not the Average Joe or Farmer John's fault for being exterminated when they had zero expectation or awareness any of this was going to happen even two years prior and, in fact, were being assured that there would still be jobs and work and a human future indefinitely.