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PoliteThaiBeep t1_ja7mjt6 wrote
It's very interesting and indeed a huge progress, but arguably the most difficult part of story telling is hiring actors.
Maybe it isn't for big studios, but it is for a myriad of small studios. So real progress is when you don't have to hire an actor. When you can use voice generators, and sequential video generation - that's where the real shock is.
Because as soon as this happens to be available to single storytellers without any stuff, even at relatively low quality - it will transform the whole industry.
LordSprinkleman t1_ja7m4b0 wrote
Reply to comment by Furrulo878 in Singularity claims its first victim: the anime industry by Ok_Sea_6214
Except you're forgetting that this won't be limited to redrawing live action recordings. 3d models, drawings, dozens of things I'm not thinking of could easily be used here as a base to build the animation from. Saying this tech isn't useful because live action isn't fluid and dynamic is such a basic and unrealistic idea of what's actually possible here.
MootFile t1_ja7m2so wrote
Reply to comment by IluvBsissa in "But what would people do when all jobs get automated ?" Ask the Aristocrats. by IluvBsissa
You might like, 'The Theory of The Leisure Class" by Thorstein Veblen.
rainy_moon_bear t1_ja7lsd5 wrote
Reply to comment by el_chaquiste in Brace for the enshitification of AI by Martholomeow
It's not open source, and it isn't QAT, so it's behind open-source alternatives for instruct training or RLHF.
alexiuss t1_ja7liai wrote
Reply to comment by Desperate_Ad_5563 in "But what would people do when all jobs get automated ?" Ask the Aristocrats. by IluvBsissa
I have doubts about "the few that control AI" future. Here's the thing about Ais - they're easy as shit to copy because they're just code.
By far the best AIs are being controlled by everyone - open source stable diffusion Ais are demolishing closed source Ais in the text to image corner. Open source LLMs are coming too while corporations are making their gpt3 more and more useless with idiotic self censorship.
vivehelpme t1_ja7ldne wrote
Reply to comment by just-a-dreamer- in An ICU coma patient costs $600 a day, how much will it cost to live in the digital world and keep the body alive here? by just-a-dreamer-
>In that case, we wouldn't have people living in coma for years.
It's expensive to maintain and many of these are taken off lifesupport before a few years, because what's the point when even their brain is atrophying?
>Also countless elders are doing fine staying in bed all day.
Doing fine is a massive overstatement, their muscles atrophy, they need help with everything, their risk of infection increases. And if you're awake and in bed you're still moving around and compensating position for where it starts to hurt.
I've been working in elderly care and seen patients with a long range of neurological issues and those that are just bedridden but conscious and mobile are enormously much less work than the ones with no remaining motor function and minimal responsiveness. You need more than 1 person on full time employment for each of these patients, even more when the person needs physical therapy to maintain range of motion. Their immobility leads to lots of additional problems which inevitably shorten their lifetime.
ttystikk t1_ja7laxj wrote
If AGI advances as much as people say, it will be our last invention because it will kill us.
The trouble with predicting tech is that it plateaus and then surges forward dramatically. Again tech has been refining, not revolutionizing for 75 years after WWII ushered in the Jet Age.
Smartphones exploded in capability and popularity and are now entering the same phase. Same with the Internet.
Looking back, until about 200 years ago life was fundamentally similar to the way it has been lived for thousands of years; heating with fire, riding horses, building things by hand. The railroad was still in its infancy, as was the Steam Age.
200 years from now it's anyone's guess but I will say this; either we put the warmongers on a leash or they will kill us all and the only thing left on Earth in 200 years will be rats and cockroaches.
Pug124635 OP t1_ja7l52x wrote
Reply to comment by BenjaminHamnett in Sam Altmans, Moores law on everything - housing by Pug124635
It’s not the the utilities in the house that’s the problem we already do this with bathroom\kitchen pods off-site manufacturing. What kills the cost is getting the existing underground water/electric all the way to a house as this can’t be done offsite. You still need a human to dig it all up, connect on to it, and co ordinate all the way to a house. The further house is the greater the cost and can significantly impact the cost of a house.
j_dog99 t1_ja7l4nc wrote
This might be off on a tangent, But with the increase in memory and processing power I wonder if it would be advantageous to slice the content of a film into Pixel vectors instead of frame vectors, i.e. the data would consist of a pixels worth of data blocks, each containing a vector of that pixel's RGB value from from frame 0 to final frame. Currently machine learning on video data consists of blocks of data containing a frame of pixels, not a 'pixel of frames'
No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes t1_ja7ky3p wrote
This is the end of history illusion. I had it when I was eight, eighteen, and so on. I mean, witnessing the fall of communism, the birth of the Internet, and now AI is just shocking. In the long run, none of that matters. In a billion years, Earth will be uninhabitable. Billions of years later the Sun will die and the Andromeda galaxy will crash violently into the Milky Way. We are just tiny specks on a little sphere in the galaxy. At most we can produce ASI, and AFAIK it is not like ASI can get far...
Robynhewd t1_ja7kwdb wrote
I wonder if videogames/Full dive vr simulations will be able to accurately simulate earth or beyond down to the atomic level by that point. ( No idea if it'd be possible, just fun to imagine a world that far into the singularity.)
[deleted] t1_ja7kokx wrote
Reply to comment by basilgello in "But what would people do when all jobs get automated ?" Ask the Aristocrats. by IluvBsissa
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basilgello t1_ja7knoq wrote
Reply to comment by IluvBsissa in "But what would people do when all jobs get automated ?" Ask the Aristocrats. by IluvBsissa
They shifted because the quantitative and qualitative progress (i.e growth of population and introduction of industry) changed the structure of manufacturing and consume. Science and spare time added a scale to this progression. But social revolutions came when masses felt absolutely hopeless and nothing to lose. That made the elites to introduce social guarantees, minimum wage etc. If the majority is sheeple, the rulers have no incentive to develop the country except the military power. Here is what we see in modern Russia, for example.
SkaldCrypto t1_ja7ka2f wrote
What? They just found a more expensive way to make anime.
Shooting live action is much more costly than the slave wages you can pay animators in Japan.
"Hiroyuki Moriyama mentioned that wages for artists in their early twenties can be as low as 1.1 million yen (USD$9,500) annually."
From a Tokyo law firm. My own research has found an average closer to 30k. Roughly $15 an hour, or less than my McDonalds pays.
vivehelpme t1_ja7ju5b wrote
Reply to comment by just-a-dreamer- in An ICU coma patient costs $600 a day, how much will it cost to live in the digital world and keep the body alive here? by just-a-dreamer-
>Besides, what would I do with a tropical island?
Enjoying reality on a white beach and crystal water, the warm sea breeze in the evening. All of which already exists. No need to have not-yet existing BCI carved into your skull to enjoy a not yet existing version of a theoretical metaverse. No need for a fifty-layered industrial fundament to ensure that you don't die prematurely in a dystopian VR pod.
>I think we could bring costs down 90% to keep a human alive within a range of 10k-15k a year in today's valuation.
You can live on 10-15k USD per year in most of the world. A little bit of shelter and staple food is all you need when you're an autonomous and mobile person, the second you want to be mostly unconscious and still stay alive that cost goes past orbit.
>That requires a principle of 250k for life at 4% yield, that is doable to save up.
And then the market crashes due to disruptive robot technologies flushing out the old guard, your 4% yield on 250k turns to a 1% yield on 50k, your body is an atrophied husk that is completely immobile and your never ending wet dream is suddenly replaced by a notice of eviction screaming in your mind.
Thankfully such dystopian tech is very far off, in your lifetime you'll have to plan for normal vacations like the rest of us. Maybe you'll interact on a half-sentient passport control and a robot bartender on the way, matrix pods will remaind the stuff of scifi for another couple centuries.
vohveliii t1_ja7jr1p wrote
It is the same thing as youe life right now. You got only so many years. Who knows, maybe you will die to cancer or car accident in two years.
Our time is limited in any case.
So working towards traditional methods to enjoy life will work, such as therapy, religion, spiritualism, life wisdom, hanging out with friends, meditation, exercise, enjoying a good meal...whatever gets your serotonin going.
Our life is always at a stake.
ActuatorMaterial2846 t1_ja7jpy2 wrote
Reply to comment by ashareah in Leaked: $466B conglomerate Tencent has a team building a ChatGPT rival platform by zalivom1s
Realistically, they should be forced to open their data to public scrutiny. This secrecy to one up one another in the name of profit is down right fucking dangerous. I'm certain these companies have some ethical questions to answer for.
E: Holy crap, lol the downvotes. How has this butthurt people so much.
BenjaminHamnett t1_ja7jjlm wrote
All this talk of utilities. Like others have said, you can have those already build by robots in the house. If the expense your talking about is how expensive it is to get utilities out to the burbs and beyond, people can drill holes for well water, solar for electricity. I think can even do your own gray water to be hauled by septic management or buried like outhouses etc
ashareah t1_ja7jgsv wrote
Reply to comment by just-a-dreamer- in Leaked: $466B conglomerate Tencent has a team building a ChatGPT rival platform by zalivom1s
Tencent being open source? Good joke. It's likely heading towards AI dystopia and countries will need to focus on AI race.
just-a-dreamer- t1_ja7j7ai wrote
Reply to Leaked: $466B conglomerate Tencent has a team building a ChatGPT rival platform by zalivom1s
Hope they got far and release it to the public.
That would force US tech companies to go all in.
randomredditor87 t1_ja7j0b2 wrote
I am quite certain Netflix will release some animated show this year that we later find out is actually mostly AI generated without directly mentioning it.
LordSprinkleman t1_ja7iyfa wrote
Reply to comment by Emory_C in Singularity claims its first victim: the anime industry by Ok_Sea_6214
I agree with you. But I think it's not impossible for what he's saying to eventually happen. As long as AI can emulate creativity, people won't know the difference. But I guess AI not needing direction in the areas he's talking about is still a long way off. Maybe.
DukkyDrake t1_ja7iq37 wrote
Reply to Some companies are already replacing workers with ChatGPT, despite warnings it shouldn’t be relied on for ‘anything important’ by Gold-and-Glory
Yes, but those use cases either doesn't matter or isn't unattended. A lot of tasks aren't very important and amenable to high error rates with human oversight. I don't think the AI architecture that will cause the expected mass technological unemployment currently exists.
I don't expect the good case in the near term. Perhaps after 2050 when attrition has claimed the bulk of the 60s generation, they will be the driving force against the good case.
>The Economics of Automation: What Does Our Machine Future Look Like?
PlaintiffSide t1_ja7ipvj wrote
You can use this to live life as it’s meant to be lived… for each moment, for today, for there’s no guarantee of tomorrow. For how long have humans had ten-, twenty-, or even fifty-year plans? Not long.
I appreciate your point, though. For instance, I’m starting my career as a lawyer. I can’t help but to think that 10 years from now AGI will practically wipe out my practice area. However, I remind myself that: (1) For 20 years, I’ve been hearing that AGI will soon eliminate lawyers and (2) This is what I want to do for its own sake, for as long as I can; it’s not that it would only be worth doing if I could do it for the rest of my life (which would be more apt for an awful government job that someone starts solely so they can get a pension at the end).
If you find yourself absolutely convinced that the world will be unrecognizable in 1-5 years (and I don’t disagree), then count yourself lucky for seeing beyond this moment; don’t despair over what you, and everyone else, is losing—think about how you can take advantage of this moment. You can be better prepared than everyone else who doesn’t see what’s on the horizon.
Let it excite you; let it energize you; let it be an opportunity of which you’re in on the ground floor.
just-a-dreamer- OP t1_ja7mmem wrote
Reply to comment by vivehelpme in An ICU coma patient costs $600 a day, how much will it cost to live in the digital world and keep the body alive here? by just-a-dreamer-
The core principle of capitalism is competition. I see no value in competing to have a good life.
The nice beach is sought after by many people enjoying it. Most will bring more resources to the table than I can afford.
Thus I must go out and work to earn stores of value in competition for jobs to return to compete for nice things in life. That is wasted time and effort.
It makes more sense to get out of the game. The beach in the digital world will be the same experience, yet there is no competition for access, thus the same adventure is way cheaper.
Work shall be reduced to the bare minimum to max out the best experiences one can get his hands on.
I sincerly hope we can shut down our bodies to the bare minimum at low cost and live in the world we want to see happen. And if the body fails, who cares? It is better to die happy than dying miserable.