What I really want is AI to be able to bring back the old hand drawn Cell Shaded art that had so much detail and life that was common in the 90's. The current CGI stuff coming out in anime is so flat, bare minimum and generic looking.

IMHO, I like this better. The limitations of AI-anime would first and foremost get rid of all the annoying nonsense like deeply Uncanny valley faces, illogical choreography, and impossible anatomy.

I agree. Big Pharma's motto has always been, "it's more profitable to treat, than to cure", and people are sick of it.

But we already HAVE millions of movies. Why not say, take an old movie like the Predator or ALIENS and re-do them as animations?

the main problem I see, you still need actors and stuntmen, which ends up being more/equal expensive as pure animation.

IMHO, the first move should be to take old action movies and re-do them as animations.

Like say, anime-up the original Predator, frame by frame, and put it in the cinemas again.

I hope people shoot the elites, not the data centers. I see no problem in that. Intelligent people are more efficient fighters.

In simple terms, in capitalism people fear about their jobs getting automated. In socialism people celebrate the reduction of labor through automation.

The eradication of the capitalist system is a an accomplishment in itself, the height of human civilization.

Besides, what other system than socialism could distribute the fruits of AI labor across civilization? At some point in time next to no human being will be able to "work for a living".

Even if you try hard to be the best you can be, it won't be good enough. The capitalist system has nothing to offer to you.

It doesnt seem to understand the basics of pong as far i can see in this video.

The technological details are neat.

Turning live action into anime, however, doesn't really seem like a "killer app". Certainly I could be mistaken, but a cursory examination suggests that live action is more expensive than animation - at the high end, significantly more expensive. They handwave savings from "using fewer people", but it's unclear that this would actually bring the costs down to where it just equals the cost of animation, much less below it.

Developing new animation based on existing animation is a separate and much more clearly "cost-efficient" course.

Sure, but we will still be able to work on things, just maybe not have paid careers. You will always be able to learn a skill, raise a family, travel, make a garden, etc.

But that's not even their fault!! People are tired of their illnesses and innovations and breakthrough in medical science is slower then a slugs pace!!! I mean we don't even have a easy cure for uncomplicated diseases like ibs which a million people suffers from in all over the world!! Let's not even include complicated more serious diseases here when we don't even have cures for comparatively less grave diseases!!! People are tired and desperate for cures and answers and they're ready to take matters in their hands as cures in our regular usual medical fields our sort of Dead!! Like how much do they've progressed in finding cures for common cold,ibs and autoimmune diseases, diabetes!!! If singularity has potential to give me that I'll take it above anything!!!

You say you see no point creating games, because "there is a tool that can solve a problem in a split second"

Creating a game is not "a problem" to be solved. Your intention as creator matters. What do you want to say with your game (with the story, the aesthetics, gameplay mechanics, etc.)? What do you want the people playing your game to feel?

You need to have a vision. And only you can have a vision as a human creator. And vision is the most important part of the creative process.

During the creation, there are problems. How do I create a jumping mechanic? How do I design the physics of the world of the game? Etc. And for these problems, the AI will always be a helper.

But let's suppose there is an AI which is generating a fully featured AAA level game from text / image / video / whatever prompts that anyone can use. In that world, there is still the problem of vision. If Joe Gamer sits down and generates a game based on his prompts, there is no vision behind that. There is no artistic intention. There is no statement he wants to make with that game. There is no impact / feeling he wants to evoke with it.

Whereas you do have a vision, you do want to make a statement, you do have artistic intention. So even in this hypothetical situation (which might be reality in 3-6-10 years - whatever) still the "handcrafted" games represent a different kind of quality. Art is valuable no matter if anyone can generate anything. That game you work on (with the AI as "helper) is still yours. It is still your vision and your execution. And that will always be valuable. So keep it up!

So collecting food (hunter gathering) had an absolutely colossal learning curve, it takes years upon years to learn how to track and kill wild animals. Gathering wild fruit and vegetables requires an intricate knowledge of the landscape, knowledge of which plants are poisonous, which aren't etc. Crafting has a similar learning curve: fashioning baskets from reeds and clothing from animal hides (for example) are highly skilled.

The point I'm making is that "work" - however you define it, has been part of the human experience since prehistory. It has shaped all human cultures and all our psychology, I don't think it's trivial for that to disappear and I wonder what is going to replace it.

Learning for the sake of learning is more important.

Lmao, dude, you cant leave. You can make a digital clone at most

It still wouldn’t be able to convey a narrative, so much so that the video you shared uses a live action base to keep it together, but how would they be able to do that with the high action scenes that are the anime money shot? My argument is not that ai is just a fad or will become obsolete, quite the opposite, ai will be a tool on every artistic production, but like every tool it’s not perfect, some human intervention is still needed at least in the foreseeable future. Anime (along with a lot of animation productions) will change, but human made animation will still be needed, it’s just they won’t have to churn out inhuman volumes of work (animators are among the most exploited jobs in the art entertainment industry) and instead will be able to focus their expertise in works that will be more fulfilling for them. Ai is a good thing for artists, it makes their life easier

Great!!! Now when is he learning to cure ibs?? I'm tired of these smelly farts after eating an apple a day keeps docs away!!

> But in the face of rapid social, economic, cultural, climate, and technological change, people get scared,

People get scared in the face of just one aspect of one of those things

Right now, we live in relative bliss. We can lie to ourselves that nothing's really changing, that society is being changed by some subversives, that technology is giving us some new toys, but otherwise there's nothing really going on.

Unfortunately, that's not the world in which we actually live. And that bubble of bliss is going to pop at some point.

UBI or not, the coming mass drive towards automation and unemployment with zero backup, safety net, or social security to deal with it is one of the most collectively suicidal things I think any human being will ever witness, second only to "Let's create an artificial general intelligence without first assuring it will be aligned to our values"

it's actually 30k? that seems insanely cheap.

I'm not saying you're wrong, not one bit.

I'm just saying that, while this made sense historically, we're approaching a point where this mindset is likely going to cause civilizational disruption— and not the good kind (if there even is such a thing as "good" civilizational disruption)

And not because "white collar workers are important" or anything. I mean the prospect of double digit unemployment, with the intent on reaching triple digit unemployment, and thinking that everyone will be all for this if we pay them $1,000 or so every month (or maybe even $2,000 if generous) is outrageously psychotic and sheltered thinking

Like, to everyone on this subreddit who says "I can't wait for robots to take all our jobs!" Just.... I almost want to say "Fuck off, you don't understand what you're asking." It's not as simple as "I hate my job, let a robot do it so I can use VR and synthetic media all day." Maybe that's what it means to you. That's not what it means to 90% of society. What Average Joe is hearing is "A robot's taking my job, in fact my whole career and the life ahead of me that I planned is now obsolete. I might get something that isn't even minimum wage to subsist upon, or I might get Soviet communism instead. Also, my grandchildren are going to be turned into nonhuman digital intelligences inside of a computer, and no, I don't have any say in it because some incredibly techno-optimistic tech elites decided to create Skynet."

You'd have to actually be deeply, profoundly autistic or socially retarded to think that the massive, overwhelming reaction to this isn't going to be "Fuck that, I'm getting my gun and shooting up the data centers." Not by some lone wolf. Not by some small group of Luddites. I mean by, you know, the 50% to 70% of society you just unemployed.

It could be good. It could genuinely play out well. But we've taken precisely zero steps towards such a positive outcome.

I feel like the optimism towards the workers are misplaced. There are countless jobs displaced by AI. If 60% of all creative jobs are out of work due to optimization with automation, it's layoffs at a scale we have not seen before.

It's a weird place in history to sit. Pretty cool honestly.

Yeah, this is kind of similar to people thinking that changing anime clips to 60fps on youtube using AI interpolation somehow makes it better. People are too quick to think something's already been usurped by new technology, when it really hasn't yet.

I won't deny that at some point the anime industry will probably get swallowed by AI, but this ain't it. Ask almost any anime fan if they like this kind of style and I'm sure you'll get the same answer.

Also, so many aspects of animation can't simply be replicated by live action, look at almost any sakuga fight scene. If people liked rotoscoped animation then the anime industry would simply save money and rotoscope everything, but obviously people don't like that style of animation as much, so it's rarely used.

Flickering is not solved at the moment yes, but how do you know it is far from being solved? Temporal consistency has already been solved in other aspects of generative AI (like inter-frame interpolation for FPS upscaling). I wouldn't be surprised if flickering is solved by the end of this year. Stable diffusion's Emad has already talked about real-time generated videos coming very soon with a recent breakthrough in their algorithm, allowing for something like 100x generation speedup.

yes that part I definitely agree with.

The only thing worrying about that is that the time period that supports the most humans isn't in the future, when we expand into the stars.