Recent comments in /f/singularity

Yuli-Ban t1_ja5ryrh wrote

See, I personally expect something closer to fully-automated socialism, though we won't call it socialism in America (probably "social dividend" or "patriot income"). But that's entirely beside the point. My point is exactly that people are so blinded by ideas, concepts, and dreams that they cannot see (or refuse to see) the ground reality of the matter.

We saw this in the 80s and 90s with the cyberdelic movement, which seriously believed that the Internet was going to lead to a post-political, social libertarian, ultra-enlightened utopia where everyone is informed, aware, and altruistic, that it would end tribalism and turn every man into an artist, that the real world would essentially become obsolete as we'd have no need for public gatherings, concerts, or real-world meetings because that was the ideal of what the internet represented. The reality was, of course, that humans are not that perfect, that humans value the status quo and interaction, are deeply tribal and flighty, deeply desire real world interaction, will seek instant gratification, and will gladly piss on utopia if it makes us feel better. The Internet was meant to turn society into a neo-Antiquity digital College of Athens, and that exists to some extent (I'm not saying it doesn't). It largely became a tribalized hub of memes, porn, cat videos, SEO, bots, entertainment, conspiracy theories, and attention seeking.

I see Singularitarians making the exact same mistakes. And I mean the exact same mistakes of thinking we're going to achieve this ultra-enlightened, posthuman utopia of altruists, artists, and post-political supermen.

Watch the AGI era not be anything like we expect it to be and instead be a piss-smelling world of AI-generated shitposts and AAA fetish movies/games/simulations, Luddites and transhumans coexisting but not necessarily peacefully, a massive population increase for the Amish and Mennonites and their imitators, vastly more bullshit jobs than should exist, the internet becoming a giant hallucination in the mind of a superintelligence requiring a second internet to be created (how it's any different, I don't know), and said superintelligence largely existing as a giant oracle that probably gets goaded by humans into developing an anime fursona in real life. You'll have people deciding to live permanently in their childhoods, even eventually deciding they identify as children. You'll have UBI and citizen's dividends given to people who want to fanatically vote to abolish UBI and citizen's dividends and outlaw AI so humans will have jobs for time forevermore, ironically with these opinions amplified by language model-enhanced chatbots. You've got the ultimate in instant gratification with AI-generated media, but 98% of generated media is never seen by another person because it's too degenerate. Invasive BCIs will exist, but 90% of people won't even contemplate getting them, but you an absolutely expect people to be lining up to get genetic modifications for their depression and genital performance. The AGI will be used for high philosophy, but for the most part, it'll be generating waifus and husbandos (both digital and in real life) as 4channers constantly try goading it into destroying the world, which it won't do because it wound up falling in love with anime girls. The culture wars will be out of control, as dead people and unused profiles come to life via advanced chatbots and continue contributing to cultural outrage. Eventually, we'll be in an utterly bizarro stage of life where you've got off-world colonies and posthumans in large server farms in some places and a superintelligence improving itself in one spot, and then a bunch of fleshy meaty humans succumbing to conspiracy theories that it's still the 1990s while others continue drudging at 9 to 5 jobs to keep themselves sane elsewhere. Oh, and we don't die from disease anymore, so our shitposting potential extends into infinity. Just a massive collapsing singularity into the darkest, coldest depths of degeneracy with a few flourishes of our utopian dreams on top.

And if we can get aligned AGI, I'm all for it.

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AvgAIbot t1_ja5qfef wrote

All good points. I don’t buy into the utopia stuff either, atleast not anytime soon.

Say we do get the UBI, it’s not going to be much. Probably enough just to get by, if even. That’s going to be a lot of unemployed people that are bored AF and will crave some type of purpose. I can see huge anti-AI movements and most likely violence to come.

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imlaggingsobad t1_ja5qbb3 wrote

Culture and traditions change over time. I don't think there will be a loss of intimacy. There will be new forms of intimacy. There will be more options. In today's world people feel pressured to marry at 30 and have kids by 35. I personally think that's a little antiquated. In the future I can imagine people being very independent, care-free, more bold, more experimental way into their 40s. If you empower people and give them more opportunities, then you'll get much more variance in how people live their lives.

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zxq52 t1_ja5q2n5 wrote

It's the bankers not some programmer. Guaranteed most here think the US government creates dollars. Nope, only bankers create dollars. In fact, even the physical bills and coins which represent less than 5 percent of total dollars are paid for by the central bank to the treasury. Digital dollars they just wish into existence.

https://youtu.be/JG5c8nhR3LE

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NoidoDev t1_ja5q0rs wrote

I'm I the only one who partially drinks to much coffee and hot chocolate, or eats some snacks, because I want to get up from time to time, so I walk into the kitchen? At least you didn't ask for a sandwich, since you would need to wash you hands and get away from your workspace for that anyways, right?

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NoidoDev t1_ja5pma9 wrote

>"I'm now thinking that we will be running language models with a sizable portion of the capabilities of ChatGPT on our own (top of the range) mobile phones and laptops within a year or two," wrote independent AI researcher Simon Willison in a Mastodon thread analyzing the impact of Meta's new AI models."

Okay, so it is openly available? Don't make me hard excited and then tell me no.

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