Recent comments in /f/singularity

No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes t1_ja4yt8h wrote

Science fiction magazines are getting overwhelmed with short stories made by AI. They are more of a nuisance than something actually worth reading. Maybe in a decade this will change, but for now I think that you can't take it too seriously. And software development is more than just writing short simple functions. You need to write test code and documentation. Usually you need to go through several iterations with unclear user stories. AI is currently not flexible enough to handle that.

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revolution2018 t1_ja4ypw3 wrote

Enshitification is only bad while model training and the hardware that runs it is crazy expensive. What matters is that the big money drives down those costs. It won't take long.

And then the open source community will step in. They will not engage in enshitification. That leaves the big corporations competing against a superior product that is free to use.

So go ahead, enshitify. I love watching big companies die!

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IOM1978 t1_ja4yarm wrote

This is a beautiful vision, but the variable left out is thermonuclear disaster, ecocide, and cheap energy.

Cheap energy is required for the functioning/evolution of this next plane of existence. None is in sight, and the potential solutions will be fought against with every tool available to the owners of fossil fuel, America.

Note— “America” is this usage denotes the cabal of corporations and government entities that functions under the label of America, or, ‘The West.’

There’s no shortage of examples— more than a million innocents murdered from the attack on Iraq; six million from Vietnam; and that’s not even getting into the century of terror in the Caribbean, South and Central America.

China, oddly enough, seems most on track systematically to evolve into something akin to your short thesis.

But, that evolution depends on an Earth to sustain life, and security, which is difficult when you’ve got the most belligerent State in human history running nuclear war games a few miles of your coast.

Sadly (or not), the most likely next stage for human evolution will be a state of rebuilding and recovery under dire environmental conditions.

Civilizations is indeed collapsing at this very moment, and I dearly adore your vision of whete it goes next.

Unfortunately, the society you describe is a fragile one, and the families that have exploited this planet and its inhabitants for millennia have no qualms about thrashing the chessboard if they feel at even a slight disadvantage.

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Lawjarp2 t1_ja4y8qi wrote

I understand your feeling, I feel the same way too. I honestly don't know what to do either. Right now here's what I think makes sense.

It is likely software development will be one of the first things to get disrupted along with art. You don't have replace everyone just increase productivity greatly. This is unfortunate as those who lose job need to fend for themselves till UBI.

(1) If financial security is an issue you must be at your job till you get replaced and learn to use AI as a tool and prolong the inevitable replacement as long as possible.

(2) Assess how good GPT-4 will be at coding. Given it will be heavily trained on code and openAI is offering foundry to companies, it must be the best model for a while.

(2a) If GPT-4 is poor at programming continue on till next big model.

(2b) If GPT-4 or any other new model is reasonably good at it. Do the following based on how well off you are.

If you have greater than 10X yearly expenses saved. Quit and enjoy life.

If you have greater than 5X yearly expenses saved. Quit and enjoy life at reasonable expenses with some odd jobs along the way.

If less than 5X but greater then 3X saved. Continue working till you get replaced but chill a bit.

Less than 3X saved then we don't really have a choice now do we.

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ActuatorMaterial2846 t1_ja4xeos wrote

I'm an electrician, I have worked on all kinds of housing and buildings, old, new, prefab etc.

What I think he is saying is that it is similar to prefab buildings. With such designs, wires, plumbing, and general utilities are all pre installed and simply need to be hooked up to mains once the structure has been put together. In Altman's example, I believe he is looking at 3D printing specifically. Similar ideas have been proposed for Luna and Mars bases.

Essentially utilising the raw materials within the proposed structures environment. Piping would actually be pretty simple. It can be ceramic, for example. However, when it comes to electricity, you need conductive material that is not found just anywhere.

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SurrealLogic t1_ja4wxy3 wrote

You may need to introspect a bit on the “I really like programming and making games” - what is it you like? Is it having a vision and bringing it to life? Is it sharing your creation with others? Is it sitting in front of a screen banging keys? Is it that it pays your bills so you can buy and do other things you love?

If you love the output (bringing ideas to life & sharing your creation), AI will help you achieve more, faster, and even achieve things you couldn’t have imagined doing yourself. For example, indie dev studios may go from mostly creating 2D side scrollers to rich, immersive 3D/VR games that used to take hundreds or thousands of people to create.

If it’s having that creative outlet that you love, absolutely nothing changes, and likely you’re even more free to be creative with a virtual buddy to bounce ideas off of. If you weren’t doing it for commercial reasons, then who cares what happens to the industry broadly? Code whatever you want.

If you were looking at this line of work as a way to make a living, you may need to rethink aspects of it. Odds are humanity will become far more prolific as they leverage AI for accelerating creative efforts, making it hard to stand out amongst the crowd. Your best bet in that scenario is to embrace AI and become the very best at using it, and thereby achieve superior results relative to your competitors.

All of these scenarios require some degree of change, but in none of them is AI a “threat” unless you just don’t want to change. My advice would just be to understand what you really want, then go from there.

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CypherLH t1_ja4wx0l wrote

I said _mostly_ solved. Labelling/geometry/categorization are huge prerequisite steps to get to "actions". I assume video generation/description will be the final step needed as it gives the model an "understanding" of relations between objects over time. In other words true scene recognition. In fact I assume multi-modal models that combine language/imagery AND video will end up being another leap forward since such neural nets would have a much more robust world model.

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Gordon_Freeman01 t1_ja4wr7b wrote

>Doesn't automatically mean you would destroy mankind if that would be necessary.

Yes, because I care about humanity. There is no reason to believe an AGI would think the same way. It cares only about his goals.

>It's sufficient that the owner of the AI will keep it existing so that it can archive it's goal.

What I meant was that the AGI has to keep existing, because that's necessary to achieve its goal, whatever that is.

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Bbookman t1_ja4vers wrote

Many of these predictions seem to assume wealth is evenly distributed. They also seem to assume global warming and the massive disruption it is causing won’t get worse.

And there seems to be an assumption that war is not a thing. Or the massive demographic shifts won’t happen.

The 1 % might be playing in a VR wonderland and printing 3d buildings for the impoverished. But a “single” singularity seems to ignore history and human realities

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sashavie t1_ja4u6cr wrote

I'd say most humans wouldn't be able to handle the mess of wires of a typical j-box haha let alone AI

It takes an *experienced* handy or electrician to open up a spaghetti of wires, identify all the mickey mouse jobs done by previous homeowners (or incompetent handys, or generations of patching around various workarounds), and then solve it haha

Everything is "easy" to fix when it's new construction or near-new

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BlueShipman t1_ja4tnrr wrote

>Deranged? you know i saw your first reply before you edited it and sheesh you are raging, you work at facebook or something? Man’s acting like i insulted his whole bloodline😂

I didn't edit any of my posts. Thinking you might actually be mentally ill at this point.

>Your uncaring attitude towards one of the biggest companies in the world admitting to have conducted the biggest psyop in history is concerning, your even more uncaring attitude towards the most powerful person in the VR industry being the same one that lead advertising for Facebook and personally overseen the massive psyop that helped trump win is the only thing in here that can be called deranged

Facebook ads are conspiratorial psychological operations now? Dude seriously, get help. This isn't normal behavior.

>VR would have naturally developed a Quest 2 when it needed to and could, it’d also be a lot more organic, open and have a ton more & better games and a lot more competition incentivizing devs to improve, you act like a multi billion dollar company annexing the market and buying everything is the only way forward

This is mentally ill rambling. I don't even know what to say anymore.

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