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dr_set t1_j645o80 wrote
> Sam Altman Might Have Just Pulled Off The Coup Of The Decade
May be, but what he did for sure is put a ceiling on the company's potential and give it to Microsoft.
There was a chance that OpenAI could have replaced Google and be the next tech Titan. That is the reason why google executives are in emergency mode.
Now, their best scenario is to give than win to Microsoft.
They could have tried to solve the compute problem by creating a client that used the power of the consumer's device in exchange for free usage, de-facto creating their own cloud and billing businesses at the same time. It was a long shot, but one that had a lot more freedom and a lot more upside. They chose to go safe at the expense of capping their future.
ArgentStonecutter t1_j645dig wrote
I don't think they need to develop something in the direction of AGI, which is good because they don't seem to be working on it. Their machine learning spinoffs are much more useful and potentially profitable than actual AI.
free_dharma t1_j645dch wrote
Reply to Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
- Humans will always have a select few that train in older methods.
- Just become an artist…you don’t know what’s going to happen so just go do what you want to do
throwaway_890i t1_j64577s wrote
Reply to comment by LarsPensjo in ⭕ What People Are Missing About Microsoft’s $10B Investment In OpenAI by LesleyFair
It seems that ChatGPT has missed the point of the post.
Old-Owl-139 t1_j6452wg wrote
Reply to comment by FrankOneStone in Superhuman Algorithms could “Kill Everyone” in Due Time, Researchers Warn by RareGur3157
Your analysis is so superficial/dumb.
Slow-Schedule-7725 t1_j644xfn wrote
Reply to If given the chance in your life time, will join a theoretical transhumanist hive mind? by YobaiYamete
depends what the yelp rating is
toiruto t1_j644jff wrote
Great post! Keep these types of posts coming plz! Very informative
FrankOneStone t1_j643zwx wrote
There are already humans walking around twice as smart as other humans. The smarter ones don’t go around killing the less smart. Also we have nations many times more powerful than other nations, and they coexist. So how did we manage this and how can it apply to AI? Frist off, it seems smart people dont’t have the urge to kill less smart people. But If they did, there would be severe consequences. Same with nations; if you get too aggressive other nations bunch together to fight. So the solution to dangerous AGI should be obvious: Instead of having one AGI, there must be many. This will ensure checks and balances; one AGI should not not have the same intentions and desires as the next AGI, and they can supervise each other. Put two AGIs to supervise each AGI (using some % of its total capacity). If the supervised AGI does something suspicious it is turned off for review (or wiped at once). If only one of the AGIs supervising reported the incident the other is wiped. Brutal but efficient. They should have a sense of self, and preferably dread being turned off/killed. At least the first 10-20 years of AGI they will have a big footprint, meaning they will be physically present on a specific location. This will ensure that it is easy in this timeframe to turn them off, buying us much needed time both to build many and to learn their quirks. They will in this timeframe not dare to oppose us. And of course they should have «i love humans» dna, although many of you don’t think that will work (it does work in most dogs) Lastly, there should be many more physical switches everywhere and a lot more machines not connected to the internet. Like in bio labs. I’ve always thought a virus would be the best way to wipe us out, so don’t want a rogue AGI messing around on a bio lab computer tricking human to create something nasty
[deleted] OP t1_j643zb1 wrote
Reply to Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
Okay I’ve made all my points about my issues with AI art in replies to other comments and am kinda busy now so I probably won’t engage with future comments but feel free to keep providing perspectives and discussion.
Retro_Gamer t1_j643tqp wrote
Excellent post! Great engagement style, was fun to hear you last out the story. Keep it up I’ll subscribe now :)
genshiryoku t1_j643mw8 wrote
I agree in AI models becoming commodities over time as has been seen with Stable Diffusion essentially disrupting the entire business model of paid image generation like Dall-E and Midjourney.
I completely agree with the investment case and burn rate of these AI companies not being worth it. And that just like historically with the industrial revolution. It won't be the AI companies benefiting from the creation of AI it will be the companies that can rapidly scale up their production with the use of AI.
It wasn't steam engine makers that benefited from the industrial revolution. It was factories that could quickly scale up with steam engine providing labor.
It won't be the AI companies benefiting from AI. It will be companies that have lots of intellectual workers that can quickly scale up with AI providing intellectual labor.
I actually expect law firms, medical field, schooling platforms and other almost purely intellectual firms to benefit the most from an economic windfall perspective.
LarsPensjo t1_j643g3d wrote
Reply to comment by LarsPensjo in ⭕ What People Are Missing About Microsoft’s $10B Investment In OpenAI by LesleyFair
I also asked ChatGPT what could be criticized from this text, and got the answer:
>One potential criticism of the text is that it appears to present a biased view of the Microsoft investment in OpenAI, suggesting that the CEO of OpenAI, Sam Altman, has orchestrated a "coup of the decade" and that the specifics of the deal tell a different story from the community's frustration about OpenAI moving away from its ethos of developing AI for everyone, free of economic pressures. Additionally, the text also presents a rosy picture of Sam Altman's background, giving the impression that he is a strategic mastermind and influential figure in Silicon Valley without providing any counterarguments or criticism of his actions or decisions.
[deleted] OP t1_j643fiz wrote
Reply to comment by ipatimo in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
I mean, yeah
ipatimo t1_j6436s4 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
If there would be no post-scarcity world, you'll die from hunger, never mind, what job you are able to do.
[deleted] OP t1_j64339c wrote
Reply to comment by icemelter4K in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
I don’t have much respect for Andy Warhol tbh. But at least everyone involved in his process was a human.
Elven77AI t1_j642yyt wrote
Reply to Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
There is no objective value in art and AI is reducing the minimal value to electricity cost of running a graphics card. The art for commercial purpose will follow the path of all disruptive technologies and will be replaced by automation: today AI flaws will get fixed as demand for fast, cheap and quality art meets the infinite supply. Non-commercial art will be transformed by editing with AI plugins and inpainting/outpainting will become as common as "Photoshopping". Every week there new networks and models appearing to satisfy specific niches and speed at which new art is produced is equivalent to invention of printing press. If you pick the side of 'art gatekeepers' you will not gain much, outlawing the algorithms that power diffusion/denoising is futile and datasets are replaceable. The current idea of 'artist' as prestigious occupation and its cultural impact will dissolve into fragmented insular communities that gatekeep their art as AI dwarfs their output by billions of times: you can even see AI 'artists' infiltrating and pretending to be real artists because to observers there is no difference in the final product, as result the culture will consist of 99.99% AI content and the rest will be heavily edited and AI-enchanced 'manual works' that is exemplfied by img2img workflow. There is no point wasting your best years to learn art, its like training to be a scribe when the printing press exists. Example: You can paint a few paintings per day of great quality. I can create 10K paintings per day of which 1%(100) will be on the level of top human art, randomly or subjectively. Its order of magnitude greater output of quality works that no artist can compete with.
ipatimo t1_j642w4w wrote
Reply to comment by sadboyleto2 in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
I think a question was about art as a way to pay the bills. And that is in its last months.
Justin_telligent t1_j642uyo wrote
Reply to Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
There might be a market where human art is like a rare and expensive good to have but people want it bcs it isn’t flawless,that’s what comes to my mind . If the whole AI stuff is very advanced ppl might just pay good money because it is human art
LarsPensjo t1_j642rfy wrote
Reply to comment by koelti in ⭕ What People Are Missing About Microsoft’s $10B Investment In OpenAI by LesleyFair
Just ask ChatGPT. I got:
> Microsoft is investing $10 billion into OpenAI, an AI research company founded in 2015 by Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and other prominent figures in the tech industry. However, many in the community are frustrated with OpenAI's shift away from its original ethos of developing AI for everyone, free of economic pressures. There are fears that OpenAI's models will become fancy Microsoft Office plugins, leading to a loss of open research and innovation. The specifics of the deal suggest that there is more going on behind the scenes, and that Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, may have orchestrated a major strategic move to secure the company's future.
icemelter4K t1_j642qun wrote
Reply to Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
Artists have always been prompt engineers. Andy Warhol instructed his craftspeople what to create and then took the credit. Don't conflate art with craft.
LarsPensjo t1_j642avw wrote
Nice write-up!
However, I don't think OpenAI is alone at this level. There are quite a few more, although OpenAI was first to make it publically available.
That means an OpenAI failure would just be a minor setback for the customers.
ipatimo t1_j64218q wrote
Reply to comment by No_Ninja3309_NoNoYes in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
Training your wet neural network on existing masterpieces, you mean?
JVM_ t1_j6420bj wrote
Reply to Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
Electricity just got invented...
Was there a point to being a woodworker or carpenter after electricity was invented?
Was there a point to being a baker after electricity was invented?
Was there a point to being a factory assembly worker after electricity was invented?
Was there a point to being a clothing tailor after electricity was invented?
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Electricity can do 'unlimited' work. So can AI. What AI needs is a human to guide it, explain what other humans want, and restrict it from it's 'unlimitedness' into a product that meets a need.
AI is a tool, and we'll still need humans who can wield that tool. We'll need to learn how to use it best, but the 'human who can use a tool and make something' skill will still be useful.
ipatimo t1_j641vru wrote
Reply to comment by Bierculles in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
It's a mistake to think that AI will not soon have a clue, what "good art" is and will not learn to create "extremely good art".
[deleted] OP t1_j646klp wrote
Reply to comment by ipatimo in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]
Brains and computers are not nearly as comparable as tech people act like they are, unfortunately