Why do you care about OpenAI? Why do you care about Microsoft? Do you think the open source community will profit? Do you think that the average citizen of the world will profit?

This sub has gotten a little over saturated with impending AGI doom predictions, and I really appreciated an actually thoughtful and nuanced review of this deal.

I'm the CEO of an AI company, and the comment of AI's lower gross profit on average was very validating.

Of all the transhumanist possibilities, this is my leas favorite. I'm more interested in life extension, exoskeletons, etc.

How much individuality is left in hivemind? Doesn't something like this happen in Neon Genesis?

I' more interested in joining the collective conciousness of the greater galaxt or universe than just humanity...then again, maybe that has to start with humans?

I could see this turning into a situation where the human hivemind is set on drawing in other collectives to expand the general mind...this is neither bad nor good but would unfavorable for those who dont want to

currently, you can ask it to generate an image, but not a movie. In order to coordinate at a higher level you need to understand lower level details, which can only be done via practice.

so, as an artist, my game plan would be

to broaden my scope - e.g. go from generating art for comics to generating whole comics, or from stills to youtube videos (this will be a bit of a race cuz AI will also broaden its scope, however you don't seem to want to do this, although it's probably the way to capture the most economic value, albeit a bit of a high effort gamble)

> is there any point in continuing to make art being human when everything artists humans could ever do will be...

personally I would bet the last jobs to be automated will be manual labor jobs. but that will probably only last a couple years after most white collar work has been automated. i would be surprised if it was more than 8 yrs (after white collar work is automated that is, which might be more like 15 years). if i had to bet maybe 3-4 yrs. i think they will pay a lot better than they do now though, although manual labor also has a learning curve so now might not be a bad time to start.

People are still interested in sports, theater and such.

oh hell yeah!

Only if you are sure that ASI would grant you a swift death.
Also, one person dying leaves others to live on. If that person has left some legacy/memory/children etc, they will live on with those people too. Lights off for everyone means lights off for everyone.

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Because it’s still humans doing both the painting and photography. Digital art is the same medium as what’s being generated by AI. It’s not a new set of tools, it’s firing the carpenter. The person putting the prompts in is less comparable to an artist than a person ordering a commission. The person who does the commissioning is not the artist, the person who created the art is. And again I said painting survived because it does things photography cannot, can you name one thing human artists will be able to do that AI can’t? If anyone is dismissing instead of engaging it’s you.

Okay, you think it’s a tool, pretty much every single established artist online disagrees with you and is mad at this. I’m assuming you are not an artist so maybe listen to the people that this is affecting instead of just repeating naive platitudes

Only way for Humanity to survive Singularity (i.e. stay alive and in charge of our future) is to become Aligned with itself. I.e. to make it so that we are responsible and cooperative enough that no human that can create and unleash an Unaligned ASI would do that. By reducing the number of people that can do that, and/or by making them more responsible so they would not actually do that.

LessWrong crowd assumes that this task is so insurmountable hard, that is only solvable by creating a perfectly Aligned ASI that would solve it for you.

My opinion is that it can and should be done without making ASI first. Which is a 1. task we can start working on today 2. Would increase ETA of the DOOM even if we only solve it partially.

I personally disagree, I don’t see any difference, but that’s a matter of personal taste I guess

>I’ve already debunked the photography comparison in another comment.

I've read all your replies, and no, you didn't. You dismissed it, like you have with most of the other replies. Your most coherent response that I can find is:

> Also the shift from painting to photography was a change of the use of 2 mediums, not the handing over of methods of creation from humans to automation.

I think that you are wrong about how AI works. As you yourself has pointed out, art and software development are different, and as SW dev working in AI/ML, I can tell you that AI art is a tool, not a replacement.

Can you actually explain why going from painting to photography is simply switching mediums but going from photography to AI art is not? Or if you have made an argument somewhere can you point to it?

The singularity itself and after is hard to predict by definition (and also theoretical, not a given). But what you will see is that advancement is going faster and faster and that sudden break-troughs can upheaval the whole market. For example how a small company (compared to Google at least) like OpenAI can suddenly be a treat to Google. But also that even OpenAI can suddenly be obsolete by some unknown startup. If anything, the slowness and red tape of big companies will be the downfall of them at some point. Even die hard investors will not be able to keep up any more. New companies that seem promising will suddenly be pointless a few months later. Stock markets will get more chaotic, with crazy ups and downs, also fuelled even more by super smart trading AI's that compete against each other.

Then if things go even faster it becomes hard to predict. Humans only have a few hours each day to do stuff, and you can only focus on a few things at once. AI assistants will no doubt help you to digest massive amounts of information, but can you handle it? Can humans handle it? Or will AI's just run the whole economy, research, funding, etc. Politics will be a whole other story as well.

Im Talking about prompting, there is a difference between a professional prompter and your uncle tRing it out for the first time.

Interesting perspective.. hmm.

Anyways thanks , signed up.

Ahhhh ok. I'm relatively new. Only about a year into lurking there 😁

posting to remind to read later

Yeah, I’m currently in a waiting room engaged in this general discussion so I’m responding quickly. And I’ve heard every point you made here before while talking about this topic with other people so your take didn’t really inspire any new reflections for me.

it depends on whether we use robotics to fully automate factories, countries decide to share resources more freely, make shipping costs far lower, and other such factors. There are a LOT of barriers to be overcome on a path to lower supply costs. Currently we're headed in an opposite direction over the mid-long term, with countries trying to actively deglobalize.

In less than 64 seconds you not only read my comment but also typed a reply. It seems you didn't even take a moment to consider what I wrote.

> the amount of hatred and vitrol to hitler's national socialist state is pretty fucked up

??

Jesus Franklin Christ

How to say you support the trucker protests without saying you support the trucker protests for 500, Alex.

I agree, we are very adaptable.

I took a gander and it doesn't seem to be an issue any more. It's been many years since I checked it out, at the time I did it was full of "how to let the AI know you're on its side" stuff that was just scamming donations. Folks were preoccupied with Roko's basilisk, an idea that had started there long before I'd heard of the community.

Thank you! I am glad you like it!

I am a painter, poet and musician. I don't make much money out of any of them. It's not my job.

I create for the love of creating and the challenge of doing.

And I'm more than happy to use AI to inspire me. Dall-E 2 is a godsend. It helps jog my imagination in ways I never imagined could be.

Is it better than me at creating images? Yes. Does it matter? No. I produce for me and for the love of art.

The day may come when none of that matters, where I can create and explore worlds with a single command. But for now, the process itself gives me happiness and meaning.