Recent comments in /f/singularity

Financial_Donut_64 OP t1_j60vx7e wrote

Question that we're kind of left with is, if AGI is so powerful that it can replace almost all human workers - wouldn't it do so for a fraction of the cost? Obv. then the incentive for companies would be to just make more profit, but maybe it also leads to a scenario where consumer goods like cars (and even teslas) also reduce by a substantial amount in cost.

How much of the price of a consumer good is determined by the number of employees working to produce that consumer good?

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Class-Concious7785 t1_j60uusq wrote

> That is all just western propaganda. The Soviet Union is still the greatest country in the world, and I am still the greatest leader in history. How can the Western world be trusted when they constantly lie about communist nations?

Based, and seriously - why would you trust what the corporate media and the Western governments, for whom communism is an existential threat, have to say about socialist states?

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mihaicl1981 t1_j60uf14 wrote

I agree , personally. But I am trying to upgrade to a Tesla( true story , already started the paperwork for leasing)

Say .. normally I get a UBI of 1000 USD /month.

I can't possibly get a new car lease for a 60k car.

They will just take it from my UBI ? Ok , then I need more money for my mansion (can't live in a studio bro) and more for my MacBook.

Of course I could just keep my old Leaf and just accept I can't afford it. But how does it feel to be the one with the old car and small house? You will get to appreciate stoicism fast ..

So sadly capitalism is the only way out .. that or learning hedonic adaptation ..

Wish there was a way for all of us to get our mansions and expensive cars and laptops/phones but somehow this has to be spread.

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ecnecn t1_j60rygo wrote

This is more awesome than the other news here lol

If you read through the lines they "just" used GPT 2.0 (!!!) to beat all other models with their first run in September 22.

Old models were trained on medical literature (and case studies) in order to produce conclusions for specific sub-medical fields (oncology, neurology, etc.). BioGPT is one of the first generalized models that can produce results for all fields without constraints and beat the old models in their pre-trained domain.

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rootless2 t1_j60qme0 wrote

AGI is kinda like Star Trek futurism, where you wouldn't actually need cash, you just get chits for use in the assembler. As a society you would just be waiting around in realspace waiting for the AI to come up with solutions to n-compute problems.

I think a bigger problem would be humanity in trying to get away from baser instincts, drugs and self depravity. It sort of goes into Brave New World, where Soma is the better drug and it leaves people harmless and willing to exist safely as opposed to something else (like crime).

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rthomas10 t1_j60pcxg wrote

Lest you think I'm being difficult I actually think the best solution for humans is to do away with profit all together, everyone gets all that they need. There are barriers to this chief among them is "power corrupts." you could never put together a group of humans that administered society fairly they would and could be influenced by their power. AI distribution of assets? Probably a good start but there would be some human that would game the system and there the problem goes again. also who over sees the AI? Humans are the problem with this and your idea of UBI. Are there some altruistic individuals? sure but there are far more corrupt or influenced humans. I think Bernie was on the right track. (don't tell my conservative friends though) Hell, humans sold other humans for money. That's pretty F'd up.

Look at the Star Trek of old. Their society had no cash (or that was the premise) . Everyone got what they needed, healthcare, food, shelter, toys,...etc. However this was made possible by energy abundance and eventual technological advancement that turned energy into matter. Which is what would be needed to supply everyone with everything they needed or wanted right, material socialism? Take away the struggle for "stuff" and what are you left with? The struggle to do what you want for the joy of "doing" this thing. (which is what you were driving at right? Look I agree with you there) But you would also need to have people doing the "Dirty Jobs" right? How would you incentivize the shitty jobs that need to be done so that society continues without....extra stuff/money/prestige? I haven't figured that one out yet. Perhaps we can design robots to unclog sewars in the future or maybe the mater transmittance tech can just whisk away poop and there won't be clogged sewars. Dunno.

EDIT: In reality if we had abundant clean power then money would become meaningless really.

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Financial_Donut_64 OP t1_j60j1ce wrote

Very interesting thoughts, I agree that it would be very difficult to make it "fair". Just out of curiosity: Do you think there will be any financial compensation at all if AGI theoretically replaced almost all human workers (unlikely) and if so what could it look like?
Is capitalism going to need to be changed or tinkered with?

Even if you don't believe that there won't be any human workers anymore, I would still be interested in your prediction.

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civilrunner t1_j60i8sg wrote

>The question is when would self-driving systems be proven and accessible. I think by 2040.

I think sometime between 2028 and 2040. Depending on how hard snow and rain are to solve and how challenging scaling is (my guess is scaling will simply be driven by rate of manufacturing which means 3 years to fill market penetration after full self driving is solved).

I honestly think it will be solved faster than some believe due to exponential rates of data collection for autonomous fleets in combination with better computing capabilities and better AI architecture. I still place it in the late 2020s at the earliest though for mass market and well later than that if we're talking reliable snow driving, etc...

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AdmiralKurita t1_j60hm3j wrote

>I 100% would trust a PROVEN self-driving system over any human any day.

Me too. I am sure 90% of people would think the same, even those who are pessimistic about self-driving cars such as myself. The question is when would self-driving systems be proven and accessible. I think by 2040.

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just-a-dreamer- t1_j60gt0j wrote

The real Josef Stalin was actually a smart and tough guy back in his day. IQ range probably around 140-150.

As a child from an abusive alcoholic shoemaker he talked a priest into refering him to a seminary. There he read every book he could get his hand on exept theology and educated himself. Droped out as a communist.

The only legal job he ever held was as assistant in an observatory. In his 20's he became the Al Capone of Baku, leading a semi criminal network, robbing banks, kidnaping, murder, extortion and instigating teamster union strikes.

Dealt with betrayels, infighting, arrests, bribery and exiled 2 times to Siberia. From his old mob buddies nobody survived long, curious, all disappeared.

Worked his way up into upper party managment during the russian revolution and the rest is history.

There is something that Mussulini and Stalin have in common, both also were newspaper editors in chief out of passion and build their power around it. Stalin was a writer and editor of the largest communist newspaper around 1916, as was Mussolini for the largest socialist newspaper in his youth.

Even Hitler wrote a book, though he wasn't smart enough to write or edit a newspaper, not even for propaganda purposes.

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