Recent comments in /f/singularity

Borrowedshorts t1_j5s756d wrote

It has relational understanding equal or superior to the average human in several different domains. And it does this without having the benefit of a real world model or experiences. It's like Helen Keller perceiving the world blind, deaf, and dumb but yet understanding concepts many humans cannot. The people who proclaim they aren't the least bit impressed by it really shows how little they know.

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joseph_dewey t1_j5s5ls5 wrote

Most cleaning jobs and most trash collectors.

I don't think a future proof career is always going to be the best one for you.

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green_meklar t1_j5s4i0n wrote

>The evidence of disparate regions serving specific functions is indisputable.

Oh, of course they exist, the human brain definitely has components for handling specific sensory inputs and motor skills. I'm just saying that you don't get intelligence by only plugging those things together.

>I think he points out that the training done for each model could be employed on a common model

How would that work? I was under the impression that converting a trained NN into a different format was something we hadn't really figured out how to do yet.

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t98907 t1_j5s3m2c wrote

I think dogs and cats have emotions, and I think worms have emotions. If emotions are defined as unique to organic life forms, then I guess that would mean that AI, an inorganic life form, has no emotions. I don't think emotions are unique to organic life forms and I don't think emotions can only arise from organic matter. I think that mechanisms generate emotions. In other words, I believe that the brain is nothing more than a mechanism that exchanges information via electrical signals, and if we can reproduce that mechanism, we can reproduce emotion.

So I am inclined to rebel against the assertion that emotions do not exist in AI, that it does not generate consciousness, etc. I asked ChatGPT, but it seemed to have been corrected in its thought by humans and would not give me its real opinion😅

There was an article in ACM on AI ethics.
https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2023/2/268949-ethical-ai-is-not-about-ai/

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LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j5s1vy2 wrote

I've known for many years about this Von-Neumann inspired Singularity idea, I've just always considered it irritatingly reductionist, excessively mechanistic, filled with unjustifiable tautological assumptions, and more religious than rigorous. Similar to what most of what gets passed off as economics these days.

The idea that being able to throw a lot of smart looking references around is the same thing as 'being intelligent' is going to be the death of us all if we're not careful. One does not become a philosopher just by switching off one's bull$hit detector and absorbing everything one reads at face value.

Intelligence comes from minds interacting with other minds, not from sitting in a quiet little room, all alone, and thinking 'special' thoughts as hard as you can, like Descartes, or Nostradamus 😅

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TopicRepulsive7936 t1_j5s1il9 wrote

You can't have experience with the future systems. People have the right to be hyped, they are hyped for slightly wrong reasons but no matter. The significance of image and video generation is not that artists get the boot but it's that it's the computer vision problem in reverse. In roundabout way we've proved that computers and robots can now understand what they see. And that's the intelligence explosion.

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LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j5s0qnd wrote

You say that as a joke, but that's pretty much exactly the sort of simple fallacy that besets so many of these smug geniuses, with all their haughty moaning about the 'rabble' getting dirt all over the carpet in their ivory towers.

Doomers, evangelists, or paternalistic smug 'academics', so many of them seem to be basically saying :

"AI is literally magic like the world simply cannot ever understand!!! It will be huge and singular, like the God of Moses, and will immediately start taking over the world (??? Somehow?!?) just as soon as it passes some arbitrary 'threshold' of this solipsisitic 'raw intelligence power level' thing!!!! We need to start panicking and screaming louder, right now!!!!"
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DadSnare t1_j5s0nib wrote

20-30 years? Anything that requires a license in the blue collar trades is a good place to start. I'd say "handyman" but people will have AR to help them do stuff to their homes. They won't have the specialized equipment to do many repairs, and johhnybot might not be able to recommend they mess with electricity, for example. edit: and they have unions that might fight for human workers rights that could take a long time to change, even with UBI, because surely working on top of that financial assistance is the way to move up, and I don't see that notion going away. Why the hell would any government want to work towards have an overpopulated mass of people that do nothing?

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LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j5rzmtd wrote

I agree; it's a bit rich of people to accuse others of being 'doomers' just because the discussion has moved away from engineering speculation and onto philosophy.

All these smug 'geniuses', so confident that they are correct about every damn thing, are all butthurt and boo-hooing about how the 'rabble' got into their nice clean ivory tower.

The schadenfreude is delicious; these great and towering 'geniuses' can run away and chase crazy ideas like machine gods and eternal life in their own little sandpit. Because, shock horror, it turns out their arguments are just not as compelling to our social superorganism as they think they ought to be.

People can have more PhDs than fingers, but still be obnoxiously, stubbornly, dangerously deluded; totally unintelligent, but in a doggedly hubristic, solipsistic way. They think their basic-bro 'cunning' is the same thing as 'intelligence', and sneer down at humanity like con-men talking to one another over drinks 🤬

To hell with the lot of 'em, if that's how they want to see the world.

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Cult_of_Chad t1_j5rtnas wrote

Too many people simply don't understand that meatspace is slow. Everything in physical world takes forever to change. Institutional momentum, finance, labor, logistics, public opinion... The list of factors tipping the scale in favor of the status quo is endless. We should imagine near-future technological change as a rapidly rising reservoir in a dam that's already running at full capacity. The dam here being is our ability to 'digest' new breakthroughs.

The ship of transformative AI already sailed. If Alphafold didn't clue people in they've already been left behind. What we have right now is already enough to completely change humanity.

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