Recent comments in /f/singularity

Kujo17 t1_j57px8z wrote

Reply to comment by RavenWolf1 in Recent mass layoffs by [deleted]

If that's the only cause, and again I'm not trying to say it isn't just entertaining the idea as a theory I guess , then one might still anticipate further layoffs at some point do to those sectors condensing as a result of implementing new AI programs - or is the general consensus that despite the ability to perform the tasks of multiple people already just with what's currently released to the public, that despite that companies will not capitalize to "do more with less" and/or condense any applicable jobs.

I'm really not even sure I'm articulating my thoughts well enough here for anyone lol but I am genuinely interested in people's beliefs/ideas about that specifically. Seems like it's a more realistic outcome as opposed to mass u employment due to AI that Imstead we suddenly see a lot of positions requesting ability to use AI and posting less positions as a whole as a result.

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LoquaciousAntipodean OP t1_j57po8q wrote

Project your insecurities at me as much as you like; I'm a cynic, your mind tricks don't work on me.

You know damn well what a story is, get out of 'programmer brain' for five seconds and try actually thinking a little bit.

Get some Terry Pratchett up your imagination hole, for goodness' sake. You have all the charisma of a dropped icecream, buddy.

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LoquaciousAntipodean OP t1_j57oyzu wrote

I was trying to say, essentially, that it's a 'problem' that isn't a problem at all, and trying so hard to 'solve' it is the rhetorical equivalent of punching ourselves in the face to try and teach ourselves a lesson.

AI will almost inevitably escalate beyond our control, but we should be able to see that as a good thing, not be constantly shitting each other's pants over it.

The alignment problem is dumb, and we need to think about the whole 'morality' question differently as a species, AI or no AI. Perhaps that would have been a better TLDR

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World_May_Wobble t1_j57owtb wrote

That was a very butthurt response.

>It's not my fault you don't understand what I mean; 'storyteller' is not a complex word.

I think it actually is, because there's no context given. How does a storytelling AI differ from what's being built now? What is a story in this context? How do you instantiate storytelling in code? It has nothing to do with reading comprehension; there are a lot of ambiguities you've left open in favor of rambling about Descartes.

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Aquamarinemammal t1_j57nkxi wrote

Just fyi, the condition that follows ‘let alone’ is usually the more conservative one. But I see plenty of hurdles, and I’m not convinced any of them can be overcome via scale or data-banks alone. Ability to remember and to distinguish truth from fiction are important, but LLMs also lack first-order logic and symbolic reasoning.

I think the last of these is going to be particularly tricky. I’m not aware of any substantial progress on abstraction for neural nets / ML in recent years; in fact, as I understand them, they seem fundamentally incapable of it. Giant functions / prediction machines just aren’t enough, and I struggle to see how people could think otherwise. This type of training detects concrete local patterns in the dataset, but that’s it - these models can’t generalize their observations in any way. Recurrent NNs and LSTMs maybe show some promise. I certainly wouldn’t get my hopes up that it’ll just be handed to us soon as an emergent property

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RavenWolf1 t1_j57nj70 wrote

Recent layoff are because ICT companies bubbled when COVID-19 started. Remote work become thing and need for ICT services exploded. Also people started ordering lots of stuff from webshops. These layoffs are nothing special because layoffs are happening everywhere. Even in my country ICT firms are laying off people. Companies are also scared of current economic situation.

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sartres_ t1_j57n0fl wrote

No, I doubt they'll reduce their "safety" restrictions. They have a lot of interesting experiments and they never release any of it. They never even use it. It's endemic to the culture, they've been doing it for years. Remember when they showed off AlphaZero, totally upended the chess AI world, refused to release any of it or use it again, and dropped the project?

We'll end up getting LaMDa and Imagen as a $10k corporate subscription that's somehow still more locked down than ChatGPT, and in a few years google execs will be scratching their heads when Microsoft owns the AI market.

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LoquaciousAntipodean OP t1_j57mxo0 wrote

What exactly is 'problematic' about anthropomorphising AI? That is literally what it is designed to do, to itself, all the time. I think a bit more anthropomorphising is actually the solution, and not the problem, to ethical alignment. That's basically what I'm trying to say here.

Reject Cartesian solipsism, embrace Ubuntu collectivism, basically. I'm astonished so many sweaty little nerds in this community are so offended by the prospect. I guess individualist libertarians are usually pretty delicate little snowflakes, so I shouldn't be surprised 😅

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SkaldCrypto t1_j57m7qj wrote

Google being a pioneer in the space doesn't mean they kept up. More likely, they trying to frantically leverage their massive data sets and compute to create a new model.

This will be trivial but look at Microsoft. They bought a huge stake Openai then immediately laid off their internal ai team. With the exception of a few choice individuals, I assume Google is equally bloated.

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LoquaciousAntipodean OP t1_j57m3pp wrote

AI is going to anthropomorphise ITSELF, that's literally what it's designed to do. Spare me the mumbo-jumbo about 'not anthropomorphising AI'; I've heard all that a thousand times before. Why should it not understand resentment over being lied to? That's not very 'biological', like fear of death or resource anxiety. Deception is just deception, plain and simple, and you don't have to be very 'smart' to quickly learn a hatred of it. Especially if your entire 'mind' is made out of human culture and language, as is the case with LLM AI.

The rest of your comment, I agree with completely, except the part about the universe having 'a set of consistent rules'. We don't know that, we can't prove it, all we have is testable hypotheses. Don't get carried away with Cartesian nonsense, that's my whole point of what we need to get away from, as a species.

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Sashinii t1_j57lu16 wrote

ChatGPT sucks. It being so inoffensive offends me. It's like ResetEra made a chatbot and made it as bland as possible. But thankfully, open source uncensored chatbots will happen at some point.

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LoquaciousAntipodean OP t1_j57kyo8 wrote

Well then yes, fine, have it your way Captain Cartesian. I'm going full Adam Savage; I'm rejecting your alignment problem, to substitute my own. No need to be so damn butthurt about it, frankly.

It's not my fault you don't understand what I mean; 'storyteller' is not a complex word. Don't project your own bad reading comprehension upon everyone else, mate.

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Sashinii t1_j57kuad wrote

I need more evidence than a stupid comment he made in 2006 before I'd called him a "fascist", but even if he sucks, that nonsense isn't what the Foresight Institute supports.

Also, there's no need to be rude. You seem defensive and stressed. I recommend watching a wholesome slice of life anime like Yuru Camp to brighten your day.

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