I see the humour neural paths have been upgraded

Maybe, but if they believe it's the real world, then that's what matters to them. It is also more real because the machinery running the VR world is built within it.

Also the simulation hypothesis is unfalsifiable, so not particularly any more or less helpful than asking questions like "what if dying sends our souls to heaven" or "what if food is actually magic but undetectable drugs and I'm hallucinating my life".

I watched Neon Genesis Evangelion where NERV, basically wanted a perfect world where they merged everyone, while it seems like heaven the whole concept is euphemism for suicide.

I just think you can't have good without some bad, a pure hedonistic world would be a euphemism for suicide in my opinion, we exist with good and bad.

We have good days and we have bad days, only having the good is bad.

Doesn't matter social class or who you are, we humans are build upon a world of chaos.

What’s your social position in life? Got good mental health and money, well, others don’t. Your stability is based on the instability of others.

I don't think pure hedonism is good for anyone.

I would live with others in the real or digital world.

Would get boring to live in a perfect hedonistic world.

How do you know if it's real?

Like I get that the world is limiting, and all that, but maybe we are just in a far shittier simulation?

Like this earth 1.0 and another is like 2.0 where we can fly and stuff.

Again, I believe it's about perceived pleasure and hierarchy that one occupies in the society. If you are of lower classes escapism is key if you are of higher classes then your servants have limitations as well, it seems that VR could bring benefits to both parties.

Since the beginning of humanity and especially today people have wildly different opinions and views on how the world works. Today this manifests in the Left vs Right dichotomy (vulgarly known as Clown World) and other insanities that happened throughout the 2010s as a result of people trying to force their worldview into reality.

Reality pushes back.

What's the solution, then? Virtual realities. You got yours and I got mine and you can retire to your mansion full of funko pops while I retire to my apartment full of retro games and everyone's going to be happy. You want rising action? Want adventure? You got it. Want to be a secret agent working for an slider organization tasked to maintaining the peace in various fictional dimensions (SG-1 but better)? Sure, you can. I dig the concept, it's very solid indeed. I don't know if we're ever going to be able to create this technology but if we do a decent amount of people alive would be all-in on it. As in, living there full-time. Now the other parcel of people probably would be concerned with nobler goals... but eh, I never was that kind of guy. Thoughts?

I would leave the physical world instantly if that was possible without dying. Machines can have it.

That will be a long way to go though. When there is a technology that keeps the body alive while we are off dreaming whatever we want, I'll take that.

I think if we can have that kind of VR we’ll likely have figured out the brain itself. You wouldn’t be safe from that in the real world either, unfortunately

Because it’s more efficient and not bound by the laws of reality. It’s all fake, so universal luxury would be easy to achieve

>Who cares if it's all pretend?

I guess that's just my personal idea. I would want my accomplishments to matter. If your accomplishments only matter to you in a mental and non-phsyical sense, then is it an accomplishment? Or do you just simply "not care"? I don't like this idea of blissful ignorance. I really don't think it will make anyone feel fulfilled in themselves.

If you mean expressing yourself as in socially, then yes a lot people do have trouble with that. That's why people go on the internet. I understand your viewpoint, though. People can manifest accomplishment in their own mind, but as if you are spending time living your life in an online chatroom, and one day you get banned from said chatroom, its addictive properties still linger while you sit with the sinking realization that THAT was your life for a period of time you just wasted. I do see virtual stuff like this as some sort of ecstasy or dopamine drug. You then realize anything you have accomplished just didn't really matter. I think this would occur if you were to abuse simulation like this.

Because as a matter of subjective opinion, some people might want it to be real, not simulated. That's all.

I mean yeah you're pretty much right. FDVR would be the way to live the cool fantasy life you'd like and pretty much anything in between if you get sick of it. Of course making it a reality is something else altogether. I don't think we can do it on our own and may need AGI to help us.

> The fact of your utility is fake in VR.

If you have godmode and are just flicking your fingers to cast fireballs, then yes that's fake utility, but if you're a virtual performer, artist, architect, educator, developer - then your utility is real because it produces value that people accept in the real world and can help others.

I'd wager most people on this planet (of any age) want to live in a fantasy world.

It's pretty simple really. People want life to be as enjoyable and interesting as possible, and a fantasy would is simply always going to offer infinitely more opportunities for enjoyment and curiosity.

2030 was the date given to me from a source in early 2022 but then in mid 2022 (July 5th) I was told by the source that something happened unexpectedly that jumped the timeline to 2027. So I am led to agree

Everything in virtual reality will be one big roleplay, instead of actually feeling truly yourself.

What if you truly feel yourself but just can't express it adequately in this world what then?

But that's all there is to it- pretend

Who cares if it's all pretend?

I believe a 'virtual safe space' wouldn't solve any ideological ,religious or political conflict, at all. Those conflicting would know their adversaries' world exist, and because of this awareness, they wouldn't feel content in their personalized landscape, because they know its not the objective reality, they know that whatever idea they try enforcing on the people in their world will not matter. This matter isn't about your fursona, or that you want to be a goddess dragon lord or anime girl or alike. They want a real world to control. They can and will find a way to implement war and violence in a more mental manner. Hijacking one's world to trap them in and give them a personalized hell seems likely to me.

People will always conflict in opinions. We are argumentative in ideas and everything on the internet at this very second, and violent people have found a way to make other people on the internet suffer in their real worlds, all because they don't agree. Why wouldn't this happen in an even more personal experience? In a conceptual future, if everyone has a virtual world, it would become the norm and we would be back to invading each other again, just like how we invade countries.

The sad truth is there will never be paradise, anywhere. Even in your conceived paradise, you most likely won't feel happy and be back to yearning for blissful ignorance once the façade starts disappearing.

Won't there be a point where they lose satisfaction with their fantasy reality? What then? It just seems like everything in a virtual reality will be one big roleplay, instead of actually feeling truly yourself. I'm under belief this would fluctuate the mental disease of psychosis and depression. There's nothing wrong with a game of pretend, we did it as kids and we do it with VR. But that's all there is to it- pretend.

No matter what you can have in meat space, you can have more of in in VR for the same energy costs.

You can't tell the difference, but you know it's not the objective reality? Would it really make anyone content with their lives?

Like the other guy said, we don't know if we are in a simulation or not. I believe that's why we even bother to subconsciously assign meaning to anything at all. Will we only delude ourselves to give meaning to something that doesn't fundamentally matter, just to cater to our escapism? People in games like VRChat can have any body they want, anime, some movie character, whatever. But, when you take the VR headset off, you realize that it wasn't objectively you, and it will never objectively be you.

There are people out there that struggle with differentiating fantasy from reality, so will this really be a good thing?

I am not very particularly enlightened on this subject, so I will continue to read what other people think about the whole thing. I just wanted to throw this out there.

I think Neo from Matrix was in another simulation like that. He is a hero in a world of suffering, the rebel everyone needs, the “One”. Does that not sound like a VR simulation? As long as he felt good and had this perceived sense of danger and payoff, it does not matter if it’s real or not. And what about Cypher? This “guy” (again part of the simulation) was dragged by Morpheus in to the "real" world to live in crap while getting his girlfriend stolen. So it would be natural for him to go back to Matrix. It’s actually kind of cruel that people don’t want others to escape in to VR, means that their misery will have less company. Are alcohol and drugs not a form of escapism, just because they are wildly used? Vagaries of perception, Mr Anderson.

Yeah that’s my point, and why OPs suggestion of creating the actual world we want rather than a virtual one, is an impossibility.

VR allows everyone to have their own perceived paradise. It's all about the journey rather than the destination.