What points? Limited resources? What limits will we have in the real world with fusion reactors and AI all over the place?

Get my drift?

Or do you mean to deprive me of the right to live in the real world out of some sort of abstract utilitarianism.

Perhaps I glossed over this because I thought it was so incredibly basic that it was patently obvious, like pointing out the sky is blue, but I guess not...

The nature of infinity doesn't care, even if there are an infinite number of simulated universes there are also an infinite number of non-simulated universes, this gives no insight to whether you are in one or not.

They are not developing it, just keeping abreast of it

My personal opinion: There will be blood.

As AI begins to replace jobs, unemployment will begin to rise assuming new jobs aren't created when old jobs are replaced. This will take many years to manifest, beginning with basic jobs like long haul transport and admin services, and compounding over years towards more complicated jobs like the trades.

Now the question becomes, where is the turning point where unemployment is so high that the government has to step in to prevent a societal collapse? 10%? 20%? 50%? Who knows, but violence always comes before government intervention.

There will be riots long before the conversation even begins about UBI, the government in general is never proactive, they are always reactive. This means they will wait till the country is on the verge of collapse before even beginning to consider talking to the corporations about UBI payments, and even then the process could take years to complete.

This argument all hinges on the idea that more jobs will be lost then created due to AI labor displacement, which to be completely honest is very difficult to forecast. If 3.2 million trucks lose their jobs in the states, where do they go? Is there a new industry or roles created due to the AI trucker displacement? Who knows.

Thou asketh and thou wills gethet it methinks. Interstellar travel is impossible in the real world. I think the whole being someone else thing will be big in VR. And there are at least seven other things that you can't do in the real world like doing magic, flying, talking to people who don't exist or are long dead.

He doesn't say energy costs will be zero, he says that marginal electricity costs will go towards zero. It is a very different thing. The base infra structure will always be a big investment. But e.g. solar power plus a very (very) large amount of batteries can lead to very cheap marginal cost.

This is much, much more bullish than anyone I have ever heard being on fusion. A commercial fusion plant readdy 2028 sounds completely insane. It is very different even from other fusion bulls. I wonder if he knows, something, or if he is talking out of his ass.

I appreciate this more grounded take.

If goat-herder sim, long distance truck driving sim and lawn mower sim are all currently available, there’s no reason to believe that Waiting In Line: DMV-R won’t exist.

Simulation hypothesis has place in philosophy, whether or not you find it "practical".

The most convincing argument, is that every Universe that allows technological progress will ultimately contain billions (or more) simulations and therefore the probability that, this world is simulation is very high, compared to "real" Universe.

Nah, instead your conscious is transferred into a game, it happens to be The Dying Light

You didn't respond to my points in the tiniest, so I'm not going to respond to yours.

I have probed these topics specifically and in depth, but you're not getting that insight if you choose to ignore me and repeat yourself.

The real question is will we be willing to go in a general strike before AI is fully integrated, if not then we’re not getting anything other than the most paltry UBI imaginable

Pascal's wager is actually an argument against VR too lmao

But I don't, and my concern about VR is that it's going to be the new heroin, but way, way more irreversible with much deeper consequences.

I.e. what if a bad actor controls this system, and then makes you feel the worst pain imaginable, slowing your perception of time down so that each second is like a year and you suffer like this until the heat death of the universe?

I would've liked some details about the "workout session" actually involving slaying a bunch of orcs via sword-fighting and magic in VR and/or practicing martial arts against world champions, or free-soloing a rock wall on Mars.

Otherwise based on the description the first thing that comes to mind is a cheesy "Black Mirror" style of gamified workout session based on incredibly banal tasks such as biking and running which is a huge downgrade even from today's options such as rock climbing, MMA, dancing or whatever your actual passion is (which most people have yet to discover, and hence haven't really escaped the idea that a workout can be something more fulfilling than "forcing yourself to go to the gym"), endrant.

For some people, myself included, whether something is “real” or “fake” is more or less irrelevant.

We can’t even know if our world is “real” so why should we eschew virtual wonders out of loyalty to this reality?

I don't want to live in Inception, thank you very much.

While our world might be a simulation, we do not know that it is, or on what level it is a simulation. At worst, it is closest to the realest world, if there even is such a thing.

If this world's pleasures cannot satisfy you, why do you think the VR worlds' will? By altering your basic circuits?

What do you think is the nature of being and consciousness?

There are all these assumptions and unknowns that people on this sub just take for granted. There's a sort of arrogance to it as well, as if one is somehow enlightened and advanced for having a few basic conceptual understandings about questions like "are we in the matrix" or consciousness, without really having probed these topics specifically or in depth.

Yeah, well, the idea was to mention things that were problematic.

Don't worry, the world is full of cats, I would never destroy it.

If my choices are

"Literally anything I want, but in VR"

Or

"Some rando who thinks they know what's "best" for me in the real world"

I'll take my VR every time. You don't get to decide what my perfect world is, and you certainly shouldn't be deciding for everyone else.

Yeah, but that's probably how it is gonna be, and those things... It would be a bad idea to do then in real life.
If what you meant with your post was that we should not abandon the real world, well...Honestly I'm not sure if that will be that much of a risk.
Will we want that?
I'm more worried about indirect things, like if we will in the end ignore human contact.

>It's like when people try to fill a void in their heart with things, rather than meaningful experiences with people.

What is meaningful and what is not? I'm not asking as a joke, in fact I'm not even asking you, I'm just asking to emphasize that we don't know.
Most people think about achievements, but let's be real, most people die without any great achievement.
A lot of people think about their family and offspring. Well, biologicaly this makes sense, but probably with inmortal lives it can get weird. (Maybe we keep expanding our numbers and fill the universe of humans...but it's hard to picture families staying together with hundreds of generations alive)

Friends? Human contact? Well, maybe. I don't like the idea of a future with much less human contact, but certainly see it as a posibility.
A lot of people think about their job. I can understand someone working on some fields saying that, but come on. Most people work on jobs that they hate...
I'm not sure of how we will feel that we are living meaningful lives. Maybe we won't, but maybe we will notice not because we have lost our meaning, but because we have more time to pay attention.
But I don't see what VR has do to with most of that.

I think that the real risk is continue to have human contact, or not.

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Honestly, I'm a bit worried about future generations born after this. Will they attend schools with other humans?

I mean, I want to experience a VR where I can do whatever I desire, but I think that without a real world with boundaries and limits is probably needed for a healthy mind, specially in the first years of our lives.

The contact with other beings that we have to respect it's probably something very healthy.

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Future young people is gonna kill me, but we should probably heavily restrict a lot the use of VR under 18 or 16 or something...

Only time will who is right.

>We most likely live in simulation

This has always been a line of thinking with no practical use. Even if the current laws are just some abstract rulesets layered on top a real physical world (like code in a computer), you're still physically real in the world that's running your simulation, just maybe not in the form you thought you were. But without simulation theory, we are certainly not perceiving the true depth of what we physically are. The only point it generates that seems relevant is that we are in a "false" world. But how would we even know?

To me it just adds one or more arbitrary layer of complexity without producing any philosophical value.

Multiverse hypothesis does not change the probabilities of us being in simulation. Every Universe where technological civilization is possible, will also have billions (or more) simulations. Simulations are natural product of computation.

I think you underestimate hiw deeply I've dived into the system you describe, taking it farther than you...

In a nihilistic system, power is the ultimate actualization. A simulation will not be enough. Dominating other beings is what comes after that.