A lot of it is grifting a clickbait, playing into people’s knee jerk reactions gets attention.

Because fear, hate and anger drive engagement which gets picked up by algorithms, no one's favourite movie is one they hate neither is their favourite book or piece of music but when it's comes to social media, which I include public participation video streaming such as YouTube its hard to have a pleasent experience.

Even if you go out your way, my YouTube is mostly used to watch and rewatch issac Arthur, quins ideas, comics explained, lazy masquerade, Hfy stories and watchculture.

Yet my algorithm is almost all negative stuff "This is when scientists think the world will end" kind of click bait. My viewing is on purpose positive, I got rid of social media because it wasn't joyful and if YouTube keeps trying to push Ben shipiro videos on me I may have to jump over to nebula.

If you watch any of the videos, they do bring up valid points on the subject. Mainly, the alignment problem that is a very real issue. It isn't just doom and gloom.

These are the people who are at the most risk of falling in love with AIs because they're so easily led by their emotions

Yeah, agree with you. But here it's about a corporation earning on the back of the work of millions of people, who will mostly be jobless due their new product. I am not arguing with you, there's no right or wrong here, but the point is, google and other search engines atleast reward the content creators. In chatGPTs case there's no such thing.

People do exactly the same : they read many books and then write a book .. which is effectively based on the author's prior inputs.
Totally legal.

That's definitely something that will be brought up in court.

From the layman's perspective, it would seem that Midjourney, etc. are no longer operating as research outlets and are instead offering a commercial product. Corporations are surely treating it like a commercial product at least.

But, I do think it is important to protect your content. Today chatGPT is trained on so much info, which is based off books and blogs written by real people, who will not be credited for it, but the owners of chatGPT will earn in Billions.

Laions license stated to avoid commercializing using there dataset as it was for research only iirc

You’re right about that. I’d think the internet ought to be treated like a public road, if things are intentionally made to be viewed in public than people are at liberty to record it. But, that may not be the case

Had to happen : the Big Players won't give up their positions easily.

For example, do you really believe that Disney will allow small firms to use AI to generate decent quality films & videos for pennies?
(FYI Disney managed to get the US Govt to modify Copyright law in order to maintain commercial control of Mickey Mouse!)

The huge firms have the money to drain the finances of the small players, even if there is no real case to prove.

They also have the money to influence Copyright law, and the like, to their advantage.

At the end of the day, it will be Business As Usual, with all the toys being owned by the rich and powerful for their own advantage.

The radical techno optimists?? Who are you mad with?

That the technology for super light visors is not here yet. But it will, eventually.

We'll see how that plays out legally wirh respect to artwork.

Just because that's how things function currently doesn't mean it's going to end up being legal to do so in the future.

It’s also not illegal to scrape the content of a site if said content is accessible to the public

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Why should people settle? Instead we should be aiming to give everyone as much morphological freedom as we can. That way we can pick partners based on social and sexual compatibility and just adjust ourselves to be attractive to the person we're pursuing.

Scraping URLs is not illegal, no.

Taking those URLs and downloading the images on/in those URLs is a different story though. Collecting URLs is benign. Extracting information from those URLs may not be though.

Im not sure why the art tools themselves are being targeted and not the dataset developers like LAION.

Stable Diffusion, Midjourney, etc. are just using datasets from LAION. I would think the buck stops with them in terms of getting permission / rights to use image URLs in their datasets.

I don't think it's fair to target A.I developers themselves in this case - they can more so be considered users to some extent in this case.

> And they'll use the consumer grade AI as fodder for training the next generation AI's as well, so we'll be paying for access to consumer grade AI but we'll also BE "the product" in the sense that all of our interactions with consumer grade AI will go into future AI training and of course data profiling and whatnot.

Ya, this is a good point....I don't understand the technology enough to have a feel for how true this may be, but my intuition is very strong that this is exactly what will be the case....so in a sense, not only will some people have access to more powerful, uncensored models, those models will also have an extra, compounding advantage in training. And on top of it, I would expect that the various three latter agencies in the government will have ~full access to the entirety of OpenAI and others' work, but will also be secretly working on extensions to that work. And what's OpenAI going to do, say no?

> And I don't see anyway to avoid this unless we get opensource models that are competitive with MS, Google, etc.

Oh, I fully expect we will luckily have access to open source models, and that they will be ~excellent, and potentially uncensored (though, one may have to run their compute on their own machine - expensive, but at least it's possible). But, my intuition is that the "usable" power of a model is many multiples of its "on paper" superiority.

All that being said: the people have (at least) one very powerful tool in their kit that the government/corporations do not: the ability to transcend the virtual reality[1] that our own minds have been trained on. What most people don't know is that the mind itself is a neural network of sorts, and that it is (almost constantly) trained starting at the moment one exits the womb, until the moment you die. This is very hard to see[2] , but once it is seen, one notices that everything is affected by it.

I believe that this is the way out, and that it can be implemented...and if done adequately correctly, in a way that literally cannot fail.

May we live in interesting times lol

[1] This "virtual reality" phenomenon has been known of for centuries, but can easily be hidden from the mind with memes.

See:

https://www.vedanet.com/the-meaning-of-maya-the-illusion-of-the-world/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_cave

[2] By default, the very opposite seems to be true - and, there are hundreds of memes floating around out there that keep people locked into the virtual reality dome that has been slowly built around them throughout their lifetime, and at an accelerated rate in the last 10-20 years with the increase in technical power and corruption[3] in our institutions.

[3] "Corruption" is very tricky: one should be very careful presuming that what may appear to be a conspiracy is not actually just/mostly simple emergence.

IMHO the metaverse won't take off until direct input to the optic nerve is possible. These headsets feel like early 90s PDAs or tablets, visions of a future way ahead of their time.

Why is it always SD and not a big corp? You're all like spoiled children: "ooh, I'm gonna sue! gonna sue, gonna sue, gonna sue!".

Good thing scraping isn’t illegal

But how? Aren’t these models open source?

It’s up to the user at the individual level to decide what the scrape or train. If they break the copyright law while doing that, it’s not the tool that’s responsible, it’s again the individual.

That is also used by human writers, it is called the snowflake method.

I am very pro AI but I think this is a really important case. These bots need to be controlled and having your content scraped should be on an opt-in basis. They really need to get their ducks in a row bc the bot does essentially reword your content and use YOUR WORK to generate results. That's not fair. They all need to be tightly regulated