Recent comments in /f/singularity

PhysicalChange100 t1_j4goxfo wrote

>Even though this is no longer who I am, my post reads this way because I used to be a very deep nihilist, and I can still draw from that place even though I no longer truly occupy it.

Okay and? Does it help anyone?

It doesn't.

>What if I told you that there is already profound, extraordinary beauty all around you? Heh.

True but it's not enough really, it's a hedonic thread Mill thing, if you lived in nature most of your life, you get desensitized by it's beauty.

Plus there's no way to replicate rdr2 in real life unless you want prison time. A good balance of Artistic experience and real life appreciation is needed.

>I feel more like I am making a tough pronouncement to those who pursue this technology religiously and expect to find something religious in something nonreligious.

And why does it matter? There's actual religions out there that are harming people. But here you are, shooting other people's hopes down for a better future.

It's an excuse to be an asshole and you know it.

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Vehks t1_j4go8kh wrote

I very much agree with the spirit of this tweet, but in terms of 'quality' would that not come down to their intended use? by that I mean don't industrial diamonds look quite different than their natural made counterparts and are valued strictly for their practical use such as machine parts and tools?

If we were talking Jewelry, which is more about cosmetics/symbol of status than anything else, that changes quite a bit.

I think diamonds my be a poor example to use in this case.

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PoliteThaiBeep t1_j4gmsqe wrote

You can buy land incredibly cheap, I don't get it. If anything it's undervalued given fundamental limits of land on earth.

Building a house 2000 SQ ft house with modern technology is ~$400000 give or take. Land prices for a lot to build a house go from almost nothing to $500000 or more in metro areas.

But nothing stops you from building a 400k house on a $20k land lot 2 hours from the metro area. It'll actually be cheaper to buy an existing house there for $350k all together with land. Yeah it'll be older and not as energy efficient, but a house.

Or you can buy literally acres of endless land in the desert for almost nothing.

In fact there's an artificial mechanism for lowering the value of land and houses - it's called property taxes. 1% in California, 2% in Texas IIRC.

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blueSGL t1_j4gkxvd wrote

imagen does not allow for chaining together prompts, phenaki (also google) does.

If the question is about being able to create full movies then phenaki would be the tech needed to build on because it allows direction of entire scenes via temporally consistent context aware chaining rather than individual shots of concepts

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NTIASAAHMLGTTUD t1_j4gjlvc wrote

I'll ask you this, if a person is thrown into a volcano and their body is completely destroyed, where does there consciousness go and how does it get there? Explain theoretically how that would work.

>I think the empiricist's fallacy is to think that something cannot exist simply because there is not evidence.

'Cannot' is a strong word, and I although I agree in a very select few cases, i find it be mostly rubbish. If someone wants to prove that something exist, usually they try to gather whatever evidence they can to push it forward, they don't say 'well, technically you can't be 100% sure my Ferrari doesn't exist, it could be invisible & only seen by me & not measurable in any way, I mean there could be evidence that supports my belief that you just aren't seeing and can't be currently tested because of x/y/z"(then what currently leads you to think it's plausible?) It seems wormy and slippery. Is it a fallacy on my part to say vampires and hobbits cannot exist because there is no evidence?

I'll not trying to 'getcha' but I'm genuinely curious, do you believe in a soul, an afterlife for that soul, and God? If so, what makes you believe that?

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[deleted] OP t1_j4git9x wrote

> I mean I'm all for searching for a supernatural creator, but however far you go up those levels, you still face the point of nihilism.

Well, when you experience it for yourself, it ends up being very different. It's like that beauty that you intuit in the universe that you're trying to relate to me, but imagine that times a million with a sense of love that is so profound and unconditional that you truly understand that this love is what is important.

It's more like life is about spirituality, rather than spirituality is a cure for nihilism or death.

> Also any search for god through religion, needs to recognise that atleast 99% of religions are wrong and created solely to exploit the lower ranks of the religion and to create societal behaviour modification.

Heh. All religions are wrong and all religions are at least a little bit right. For illustration -discovering relativity didn't make Newtonian gravity wrong. It just showed that there was more to it, and that it wasn't as absolutely correct as we had initially imagined.

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Embarrassed_Stuff_83 t1_j4ggdzs wrote

Let the record show that although I was relatively optimistic, I by no means genuinely expected AGI, ASI, or any other Singularity type technologies to transform our society within any amount of time.

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sumane12 t1_j4gg8q5 wrote

>Full disclosure I am a former nihilist and technically agnostic believer. Though that agnosticism just seems like a technical trifle at this point.

Yeah I kinda got that energy lol. I mean I'm all for searching for a supernatural creator, but however far you go up those levels, you still face the point of nihilism. Also any search for god through religion, needs to recognise that atleast 99% of religions are wrong and created solely to exploit the lower ranks of the religion and to create societal behaviour modification.

I think meaning is whatever we make of it, that's the beauty of conscious subjectivity. How do we know that someone else doesn't have a completely different subjective experience than we do? And I think that question is beautiful.

I think if you can't generate meaning from your life today, how will finding god change that? Perhaps you are looking for a purpose greater than yourself? I don't know I'm not a psychologist, but I would also say that just because you don't see meaning somewhere, doesn't mean others don't, and it can be worthwhile dedicating yourself in service to those less fortunate?

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graham_fyffe t1_j4gfpzf wrote

Most entertainment is derivative, yes. But there’s still a tiny little bit of new creativity infused in these derivative works, except for the really bad ones. This all adds up and contributes to the Zeitgeist. And they also incorporate elements of the Zeitgeist that didn’t originate in the entertainment industry.

But this doesn’t invalidate my point. Without that small portion of truly creative new stuff being made, the whole thing will freeze. The more human artists we replace with AI, the fewer new ideas will be added to the culture each year.

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[deleted] OP t1_j4gdfku wrote

> When's the last time you watched a movie or played a single player video game and told yourself "what a masterpiece".

Pretty well every day, actually. Heh.

> To be honest with you, you strike me as a "logic bro", You dismiss art, you dismiss social relationships, you dismiss emotions, and your inner child have long been suffocated by your impulsive need to reduce everything into predictable narrow categories and simplistic logical assumptions. You hate emotional reflections and you would rather dismiss your emotions rather than actually analyze, confront and entertain them so you shove them all down in favor of logic.

Even though this is no longer who I am, my post reads this way because I used to be a very deep nihilist, and I can still draw from that place even though I no longer truly occupy it.

> VR simulations will break the boundaries of art, and reality, and merge into something extraordinary and beautiful.

What if I told you that there is already profound, extraordinary beauty all around you? Heh.

> Be the agent of liberation and inspiration instead of repression and discouragement.

I feel more like I am making a tough pronouncement to those who pursue this technology religiously and expect to find something religious in something nonreligious.

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PoliteThaiBeep t1_j4gd1ho wrote

Before chatGPT I expected AGI to arrive between 2025 -2040

Now I still expect AGI to arrive at any time from 2025 to 2040

But percentages changed. Like in 2017 I thought maybe 1% AGI would arrive in 2025. Today it feels like 10-20% AGI would arrive in 2025.

Also before I thought 2040 AGI will arrive with around 50% chance. Today it's more like 90%.

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PhysicalChange100 t1_j4gcaau wrote

u/OldWorldRevival I am disappointed by this post.

Nihilism:

Meaning itself is subjective, someone having a dinner with he's or her family is meaningful itself, You pushing your own subjective narrative that the universe is meaningless is quite authoritarian and dismissive of other people's meaning. And I hate when other's do that.

Transhumanism:

To be honest with you, as a teenager I saw transhumanism as a way for me to become stronger and smarter, it's basically an ego thing, but now as an adult, I see transhumanism as a way to liberate humanity from unnecessary suffering and unplanned death.

Stupidity and ignorance can cause unecessary suffering and therefore we should amplify our intelligence. But it's not just about survival and removing unecessary suffering, it's also about creating things beyond our wildest imaginations.

To revive our inner child's desire for wonder. To create an environment which all conscious beings are given a fair chance to truly live an amazing and great lives. Beyond diseases, beyond accidental deaths, beyond petty violence, beyond greed and corruption and evil.

VR:

Art is both philosophy and pleasure merging into a complex form of sensory and intellectual information.

When's the last time you watched a movie or played a single player video game and told yourself "what a masterpiece".

VR simulations will break the boundaries of art, and reality, and merge into something extraordinary and beautiful. A wealth of information as well a time for reflection in both reality and art.

VR is not as empty and void as you think it is.

My observation of you:

To be honest with you, you strike me as a "logic bro", You dismiss art, you dismiss social relationships, you dismiss emotions, and your inner child have long been suffocated by your impulsive need to reduce everything into predictable narrow categories and simplistic logical assumptions. You hate emotional reflections and you would rather dismiss your emotions rather than actually analyze, confront and entertain them so you shove them all down in favor of logic. Edit: which by the way, Causes, lack of empathy, lack of imagination, lack of creativity, lack of excitement, lack of hope and produces a narrow mindedness which in turn creates depressive mental traps like your own post.

I've been that logic bro before and it's not fun. It doesn't help anyone not even yourself. It's the death of the inner child and it's the emergence of nihilistic thinking.

Logic is not a tool to repress our humanity. Logic is a tool to amplify Us.

Conclusion:

Be the agent of liberation and inspiration and not repression and discouragement.

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ChronoPsyche t1_j4gb4xl wrote

Lol, absolutely not. No company is going to take on that legal liability. Maybe in the far future but doctors are one of the last that will be automated since it involves people's lives and there are very strict regulations.

And I know you said "may not replace a doctor", but if they are diagnosing and treating you then that is the function of a doctor.

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