>If good deeds dont follow then you havent committed yourself.

If you rephrase it like that it’s much better. In this case I would see you as having understood his teachings.

My point was not that you don’t need to believe in him as a Christian, but that merely believing but not doing what he says considering good deeds is not what he expects of his followers.

I am relieved to see that you were not trolling to give the Christians a bad image. Like I said, I have a different religion but I like Christians and their cool Son of God and don’t want anyone to shine a bad light on them.

Thank you for discussing it with me 👍🏻

Edit: to the „I disagree“ part of your post - what are you disagreeing with here? I don’t quite understand it. Probably with the Bible being „only“ a behavioral code? Well for Christians of course it is more! 😉

AI growth rate << Human entitlement growth rate.

The moment we have automated something, we expand our expectations and we're back where we started. That's how you get unimpressed people who have more than kings of the past. I doubt even AGI can keep up with us, it would probably have to reach AGI^2 to face the problem (/s).

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It’s Fear of the unknown that drives them. As humans our arrogance leads us to believe that one day we can become immortal Gods.

Always has been, and some modern religions teach how foolish this is.

Citing tm.org, which is dedicated to transcendental meditation:

Jesus was once asked when the kingdom of God would come. The kingdom of God, Jesus replied, is not something people will be able to see and point to. Then came these striking words: “Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21)

a large number of people have problems to even make a daily living so they may not be enthusiastic about inventions that will not help them in any way.

Same as any religion… people are looking for something or someone to solve all they problems. No efforts on they part… and than at some point in the future everything gets sorted out auto-magically.

lol, good luck all of us!

Interesting thought. I would compare it to when I was a child in the 90s with just a few channels. When a movie that you liked came on, it felt special. There was no fast forward, pause, or reverse, you got what you got. Today, I have access to pretty much every work of literature, film, or piece of entertainment ever made and it all feels like shit. All I do is watch dumb videos or laugh at funny autists on the internet.

I see! It's hard to say whether you'd be in luck if AGI discovers time travel, if the Terminator series is anything to go by. :p

At the current speed of things, 3 to 6 years. Great question.

For sure - OP is stirring the pot, and though I agree with them generally, they could take a few minutes and make some more substantive arguments, imo. I added my own flavor by interpreting their comment in the most sensible way I could think of.

Also, I actually thought you were a different poster and would have taken a different tone if I had a do-over. Such is life. Maybe I'll get a do-over if the AGI allows!

I guess we’ll see soon enough.

The comment I was replying to was vague. I read it as "living at the expense of the ability of new lives to come into being", as in weighing the value of one person living forever against the value of adding one new person to the population count.

For my reply to the other interpretation of their words, harming future generations that will surely exist is similar to harming people that exist today.

Maybe the main reason is that we already have walked the first steps on the road, and saw that it makes some sense to alleviate our suffering and pain with new means.

Prosthetics and pharmacology are two fields of medicine that are pretty transhumanist, if we look closely.

Do you think that the Baby Boomers were right to consume an incredible quantity of resources while emitting billions of tons of carbon into the atmosphere, putting earth on the path to catastrophic climate change? Was it their right to do so? Does it matter that Americans burning fossil fuels today are harming poor farmers in Africa, both now and in the future, due to global warming and its consequence? Is this also highly subjective?

If any of this connects for you, then you accept part of OP's argument about (hypothetical) people today choosing to live forever at the expense of others, who for one reason or the other, cannot.

I don't get why tranhumanism is some niche subcultuire. The fusing of human and machine seems like it will be a natural process that sweeps throughout all life whether they want it or not. If anything all I see tranhumanists as are people who are just more aware than others of this incoming tidal wave of cyberization.

People don't like the status quo. It's in our nature to want more of the things we like, and less of the things we dislike, and the status quo still has things many people don't like.

You can only see the genuine beauty of life and complexity of existence, and be in awe of it so long, before your cancer comes knocking and rips it away from you. Or your dementia makes you forget who you or your loved ones are. Your chronic fatigue and pain colors every day. Many people live their lives dissatisfied anyway, for many reasons, and die that way. I feel that transhumanism would be a net plus for these people.

People that chase money and things do it out of greed. Maybe anxiety of the future, and also social status. More, more, more. Is that meaningful? I would say it is to them, but maybe they may say they are never satisfied and I would believe them. It does hurt other people around them, so I oppose it on those grounds.

What is the real world? Hunter gatherer life? Caveman life? Primitive farmer? BC -2000? Medieval? Rennaisance? 1990s? People employ technology that solves many of their grievances very differently in each era, which could be seen as "cheating and avoiding reality" by people who live in earlier times.

Trash

The moment you hand the keys to creation to the masses, people will be able to make whatever they want - entirely devoid of subversive political messaging.

Have you ever seen TikTok before? The users there wouldn't care, as long as it kept them entertained.

This is going to get stale real quick isn’t it? The AI is compelling right now because it taps into the Zeitgeist and we feel tickled by this. But if there are no more humans producing new content, or very few, then the Zeitgeist will essentially be frozen and it will only be reruns, reboots, and mashups from then on.

I don't think transhumanism can make life more meaningful for someone whose life was not meaningful before. They're not related concepts except as transhumanism pertains to extending one's lifespan, which could give someone already living a meaningful life more time to accomplish the things that make their life feel worthwhile.

Transhumanism as a means of extending the lifespan of someone who lives only for themself seems like a trivial idea. If it cost nothing, then why not, but if it's at the expense of others, then it seems foolish to me.

Yes, every few months we have an article about how senescence isn't natural or unavoidable, but having said that, OP makes good points; money and things and time spent watching TV/playing video games don't add up to a meaningful life for most people, regardless of how long they live (or the realm, physical or digital, in which they exist).

A point to humanity being allowed to have infinite expansion, with a perspective that sees our ultimate fundamental limitations and the game theory of our existence, and seeks to find a method of transcending them.

> experience more of existence.

Sometimes I think that experiencing more of existence at the top level is actually the opposite of experiencing existence more fully.

IDK. I'm hitting this weird phase in life where I feel like I'm ready to live for real. It's very hard to describe, and transhumanism just feels deep in my gut like some attempt to avoid both life and death, and live in a fantasy.

I just hope that this process is reversible for the transhumans' sake, because I suspect many of them (assuming this is a kind AI that honors peoples' free choices) will opt to live back in the real world without such connections.