Recent comments in /f/singularity

SlowCrates t1_j4chlyp wrote

This makes Terminator 2 look horrifically outdated. In that movie, the endoskeleton shows completely mechanical looking parts that supposedly mimic infiltration-level human movements. But this video highlights the fact that in order to create human-like movements, you need human-like parts. And this is clearly just the beginning. 10-15 years from now we're going to see entire synthetic human bodies. It's going to be very interesting.

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CubeFlipper t1_j4chf4j wrote

>Though nobody knows how to reach/make an agi/asi.

I don't think this is entirely true. Nobody can guarantee anything, sure, but OpenAI for example seems pretty confident they know where to put their efforts. Given their track record and explanations of their intuition, I believe them.

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arckeid t1_j4cf42q wrote

Smartphones are a huge thing too that have a big impact in us, and it's pretty normalized, nobody imagined that we would be able to carry a pc on the pocket, if we go for soft takeout people probably will get their AI companion on their smartphones and little by little but fast society will change for the better or for worse.

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Azecap t1_j4cdm78 wrote

Being a professor certainly seems respectable from the outside, but the universities are full of them nonetheless, and among peers the title is worth less.

He has built a career on sensational (irreproducible) findings, overinterpretation and exaggeration.

Here's your link for proof. I know of few researchers who have been called out in such a fashion.

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Azecap t1_j4caazq wrote

Cell is certainly quite prestigious, but as I'm sure you are aware from your own field, the prestigious journals are more interested in sensational findings than in scientific rigor and reproducibility. Moreover, the peer review will depend on the specific reviewers and there's quite a bit of backclapping going on in this particular field of research.

That said, I cannot speak to this particular study, as I have not yet read it myself.

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virgilash t1_j4ca0g7 wrote

Food 4 thought: once real AGI is achieved and once I will be allowed to get in touch with it, I am not going to spend any time on sites like reddit, twitter, facebook, Instagram, netflix or anything like this... And I suppose countless other people will do the same... 🤣

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oddlyspecificnumber7 OP t1_j4ca000 wrote

I totally agree regarding the mind. Unless the mind is truly just magic, it can be emulated.

The kind of AI I am starting to favor as one of the safer types would be a collective super-intelligence made up of many, specialized, subhuman AI models working together using language as a universal medium. That way we can literally read its thoughts at all times and all of the human level complexity happens in the open.

It would be smarter than its constituent AI models the way that a research team is smarter than a single researcher.

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ElvinRath t1_j4c3qvz wrote

That's hardly surprising.
When things happend they usually become far less impressive.
Anyway I think that your approach here is not correct. we are not one or two generations away from AI doing original research, or at least, we don't know that.

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It might happend, it might not.

About 8 years ago we thought that we would have full autonomous vehicles in 1-3 years max, and art in a hundred years, maybe.

And here we are.

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We are quite bad at reading the future. And by me, I don't mean us on reddit, I also mean the real experts.

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Look, don't get me wrong, I'm optimistic. But there is also a real posibility that 10 years into the future the only thing we have is ChatGPT 5.0, running in your phone, faster and a tiny bit better but basicaly the same.

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That will be of course very useful, but still, having that (A very powerfull AI assistant) and having AGI (Capable of conducting independent research!!!! That if fully working is the path to singularity) is fundamentally differently. And we can't predict those things because they need breakthrough.

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Uranusistormy t1_j4c1grs wrote

I don't know anything about him but I studied biochemistry and I'm very interested in thermodynamics. The cell isn't a closed system. This allows it reverse its internal entropy at the expense of increasing entropy in its surroundings with a net increase in entropy of the universe. For example glucose is converted to CO2, an increase in entropy, and this entropy used to provide free energy that the cell uses to repair itself and make proteins. As the cell ages it is less able to do this. We don't know why but it is evidently related to genetics. As this decreased regulation increases the cell is able to function less and less until it dies. Take this and scale it up to a person and it manifests as ageing. You were conflating the person's use of 'getting older' with 'growing up', when they were speaking about getting old.

It's not hard to understand.

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Evilsushione t1_j4c19v3 wrote

My position has always been that if we can do it with the mind, there is no reason it can't be done programmatically. I don't think we should pursue true sentient Ai though, that would be too unpredictable. Unfortunately that is probably the key to.unlocking next level Ai and they will do it anyway.

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GayHitIer t1_j4c07n4 wrote

We really don't know, but with the latest results I would think it will happen sooner than later.

Though nobody knows how to reach/make an agi/asi.

My prediction is anywhere from 2023 to 2029.

But it might happen sooner than that.

I hope Ray Kurzweil stands correct.

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questionasker577 t1_j4bzz0r wrote

Humans tend to be more reactive than proactive, but with the advent of more and more powerful technologies, there are greater implications to being like this.

Think about social media and how much of an impact it has had on society! Then consider something far, far more powerful such as AI.

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[deleted] t1_j4bskx9 wrote

Again, fundamental misunderstanding that conflates two distinct processes.

Entropy increases constantly if a system is closed, so exporting it from cells and tissues and whole organisms is the essence of what metabolic upkeep does. It’s called being alive instead of rotting.

Aging is an entirely secondary effect of the upkeep itself. If upkeep were perfect there would be no aging. Organisms would remain functionally identical and unchanged over time. This is easy to achieve with simple machines like cars, and some species come close to achieving it too with “negligible senescence”.

A directly analogous process to aging is growth and development.

Growth and development are functional changes. You can think of them as “better than perfect upkeep” if you like. But conceptually they are not much different than aging: the process of using energy and inputs to power metabolism and export entropy is not perfect, so there is slow drift in the form of the organism m, but this occurs over a much MUCH longer timescale than rotting/decomposing.

Again, think of a car: if you let it sit without putting anything into it at all, it rots. THAT’S the second law, and entropy just increasing unabated. Alternatively, there is maintenance and upkeep that can keep a car in perfect condition forever. But what’s the difference between upkeep and upGRADE? Nothing, as far as entropy goes. Upgrading a car is just using energy and inputs to do a bit more than keep it exactly unchanged.

Don’t just take it from me. Aubrey De Grey is a staunch advocate of my exact position on entropy, because he of course understands it.

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