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[deleted] t1_j4906od wrote

Invoking entropy here is really stupid, I’m not sure why this tiresome trope persists in aging.

Aging is not a direct product of entropy. Aging is a product of imperfect upkeep/maintenance mechanisms.

Entropy is why maintenance is required in the first place. Want to see what really happens to an organism as a result of increasing entropy without maintenance? It’s called being dead, and rotting.

Organisms that are not dead have to constantly maintain themselves in the battle against entropy just to continue to function at all. So it isn’t entropy per se that causes aging. Increasing entropy causes rotting. And maintenance stops rotting, because it stops the growth of entropy.

Aging is caused by imperfect maintenance. That’s totally TOTALLY different. And there’s no reason why maintenance can’t be perfect.

Do cars and other machines need maintenance to keep from rotting because of entropy? Of course they do. Is it impossible to perfectly maintain an old car? Of course it’s not.

Crazy the editors at a journal like Cell would continue to allow this stupid misunderstanding of entropy and aging to be repeated.

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duffmanhb OP t1_j48yn32 wrote

Telomeres were also just a theory, based off observations of older people who aged well, and other species. That long telomeres prevent the cell damages as they act like a sort of redundant absorption for mutations. However, much like the DNA damage theory, it had a lot of conflicting evidence that made direct correlation hard to prove... It's likely long telomeres are more likely a symptomatic correlation rather than causal.

Tumor suppression probably also exists within the epigenetic side of things as well. As we age, our bodies get worse and worse at fighting things off. They replicated this by artificially aging the mice which suddenly got more tumors. So as the epigenetics of the cells get more noisy, so does their ability to precisely work as intended, thus more tumors.

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AsheyDS t1_j48w13t wrote

>against the people

Or maybe for the people? If you really think that every single person working on AI/AGI or who could possess it is dangerous and evil and working against you, then why the hell would you trust everyone with it? Or do you just not want anyone to have an advantage over you? Because I've got news for you...

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LoquaciousAntipodean t1_j48v4mo wrote

Is it? I thought it looked like a matrix of 'up'/'down' information holding bits in a magnetic substrate. I must have missed the bit where it could provide transistor functionality as a microscopic remotely-switched current gate.

I don't see how these vortices could be strung together into and/nand/or/nor logic pathways, like transistors do. It really just looks like an information-carrying magnetic substrate. Did I miss something?

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DukkyDrake t1_j48u7c2 wrote

>those safeguards need to become part of the system as a result of logic...not human "moral bloatware."

This is why the human race is doomed.

A system can just as easily grind you up in its jaws while its moral calculus is perfectly logical.

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FedRCivP11 t1_j48olyp wrote

Before you know it, you won't be able to throw a rock without hitting a language or diffusion model. There will be lots of AIs, of different shapes and sizes, and for different functions, and they'll compete with each other to produce better and better answers in a thousand different ways. And then we'll see extremist groups release offensive models, and then AI will find its way into warfare in ways we can't yet imagine. All of this is going to happen, and we can't stop it.

But let's get mad because one company has people running it whose values caution them against being the ones who build a Hitler bot you can access at $ 0.0005 a GET request.

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drsimonz t1_j48milg wrote

Hahaha yes it does, 100%. I haven't tried 11 yet so maybe it's even worse now... but as someone who uses Ubuntu 18/20 regularly, there are many levels of terrible. Simply dragging a file onto the desktop, when a file with the same name already exists, literally crashes the desktop and requires a reboot. (Yes I'm sure there's a way to recover without a reboot but it's going to take even longer to figure out). Want to create a shortcut to a program? Or worse, want to change the icon? Hope you're literally a software developer. Yet somehow micro$oft managed to build a UI for this in like 1995.

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DazedWithCoffee t1_j48mdq1 wrote

The reason humanity survives to this day is because of the instincts that we currently express and understand as morality. It is more advantageous for a population to cooperate than it is to compete, in some regards. To remove moral thinking from any AI is to actively make it less human-like

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