Recent comments in /f/providence

Prota_Gonist t1_j7w5y9d wrote

This is why panel data is important. You're looking at too short a time scale. This is a form of sampling bias, not to mention (and I do apologize for stating this so bluntly) just a poor research practice.

Furthermore, it seems that you're indulging this bias in order to falsely deduce something about this forum's users- namely, that we're all Providence Apologists who actively overlook stats and figures in order to push a false narrative about the city's safety.

That sentiment is, simply put, not reality. The people on this forum by definition identify with the city of Providence and have a vested interest in open collaborative discussion about it. No one is looking to grasp at straws or downplay real issues. That's why so many posts here involve collected data or primary news sources. If anything, this is one of the better places to find providence residents willing to take a good hard look at the issues faced by the city... and, when we have occasion, give it some hard-earned credit.

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Kelruss t1_j7w2j25 wrote

Look, I’m critical of this kind of coverage and how it warps our politics and shapes policy outcomes, but I think that’s going too far in describing at least how a lot of local journalists approach their job. There is a “if it bleeds, it leads” quality to the nightly news (the “Eyewitness News” format) that reinforces perceptions of crime. The stories are straightforward to write and draw traffic/attention, so in an industry that looks to fill time/column space, the economics of these stories contribute to their proliferation.

But a lot of news bias in our local papers and television stations is less a particular agenda of any single journalist or outlet, and their bias towards who talks to them (and who they view as a legitimate source to talk to). They are also conditioned to see “sides” of a story. Crime stories, as far as they are concerned, only have two sides: the police and the criminal, and the latter isn’t talking to them, so they only report the police narrative, which reinforces the ability of the police to write their narrative.

There is also just the inescapable reality that the corps of journalists who cover Providence are overwhelmingly white, and virtually none (whether white or not) are actually from the city. They simply don’t have contact with or contacts within the city, and so they can’t tell complex stories about the city. So when a shooting happens, they can only tell you the victim’s name and age, and can’t really delve into who that victim is/was as a person. In comparison, when a violent crime victim is not from Providence, coverage will often go a bit deeper.

The other problem is that a lot of journalists in local media do not provide analysis, but merely report what is said. Data-driven features take time to produce and are infrequent. But most “data” stories are because someone released a report, whether government as in OP’s link, or an advocacy group calling attention an issue, or as a marketing ploy for some company’s product (a lot of the rankings that get reported). Journalists are not very skeptical of these stories, and just report what is said in the report, the press release, or what some of their interviews say. But they generally won’t analyze the methodology or sourcing of such things, and tell their audiences if it’s any good.

The result is coverage that is biased towards anecdotes rather than data, biased towards what people say rather than what is actually occurring, and biased towards the loudest yellers and those with the resources and prestige to yell loudest.

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boulevardofdef t1_j7vwptu wrote

As someone who's lived in both Rhode Island and Illinois, those two states are so dead on as the ones with the least pride.

Rhody has a huge inferiority complex due to being sandwiched between two wealthier states with more resources, both of which are easily reached from anywhere due to RI's tiny size.

Illinois is completely dominated by the Chicago area, which has its own strong identity, and Chicago-area people look down their noses at the rest of the heavily rural state. Then people elsewhere in Illinois bash the state for being dominated by Chicago.

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Dangerous_Public_164 t1_j7vsy21 wrote

crime has been on the decline worldwide for our entire lives, there is nothing surprising there. the trajectory of pretty much everywhere in america decade over decade is for places to get safer and safer. that doesn't make them safe though and the notion of safety is of course all relative, which is why I say, and you guys hate it, that providence is not a desirable place to live.

what IS surprising is you can have over double the previous year's (2019's) rate of homicides in 2020 and 2021 and folks on this forum will still get excited over reporting that in 2022 it's now back down to only slightly more homicides than in 2019.

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Prota_Gonist t1_j7vnbdv wrote

This was to be expected. The city has been on a steady downward violent crime trend since at least 2017, with a smaller downward trend for nonviolent crime in the same span (except for Motor Vehicle thefts and motor vehicle larceny which saw a small overall increase).

Generally, Providence is getting safer year over year, despite what certain local news outlets might have you believe.

Source: https://www.providenceri.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/2022_SelectedPart1Summary_FINAL.pdf

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GotenRocko t1_j7vir0p wrote

I used to eat them too and were decent for what it was and price. But now it doesn't use real cheese. Look on the ingredients it uses imitation mozzarella cheese. I bought one recently and didn't taste like I remembered and looked at the back and noticed why. The other brands that make frozen pizza, except tontino's, at least use real cheese.

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