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danrthemanr t1_j0k6woz wrote

Right but okay so I'm not that big of a philosopher or whatever, but I do get where they're coming from when they say "Poor people today enjoy luxuries that kings in medieval times could only dream of." Like, society has always progressed and quality of life has always gone up, at least since the Renaissance.

PS Maybe not for the developing world and Native reservations and stuff... but I guess what I'm arguing against is the idea that you can't create a list of pros and cons, that there's just cons.

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CaseyTS t1_j0j2mpy wrote

> Good vs Evil in this implicit Christian sense that we all understand it to mean. To speak though as if this is the case, that 21st century Anglophone countries operate on a Good vs Evil basis, is absurd.

Also - why does the absense of some former, implicitly abrahamic morals imply that the West no longer operates considering good and evil? Not sure how that is connected. Christianity is a source of morality, and it is not unique in that way.

Edit: obviously, people in the west do bad things, but you're ignoring a huge portion of people if you think people in the west at large don't consider morals in their actions.

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CaseyTS t1_j0j25qi wrote

You're making the assumption that the people who wield moral authority use that control to prevent harmful actions, in general. Frequently, that is not the motivation of people with moral power. Frequently enough that it is innaccurate to say that moral control of the masses is categorized as "good" in and of itself.

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DevilDrives t1_j0j1pc8 wrote

One does not guide a good-bad dichotomy.

The good-bad dichotomy guides people.

Authority figures that promote, enforce, or impose a good-bad dichotomy can definitely serve to misguide people or pose a danger to humanity or nature. However, it is a double-edged sword. It can also be applied appropriately and provide for peace and safety.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I think many people - especially philosophers - are well aware of the subjectivity of good and evil and they're able to arrive at conclusions that are not stuck in that dichotomy. However, some people have very poor critical thinking skills and they have the conscience of a alligator.

If we depart entirely from the dichotomy, how do we preserve peace?

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CaseyTS t1_j0j1pbx wrote

> Evil (bad) means selfish, greedy, and condemning the strong for acting upon their strength

If that's Neitzche's definition of evil, I have to say, it is not at all a general definition of evil. "Condeming the strong for acting upon their strength" doesn't enter into it. "Condemning the strong for acting upon their strength by oppressing people" is what I, and many people whose morals are about preventing human suffering, think.

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CaseyTS t1_j0j1aaq wrote

That control that you're talking about has caused both great suffering and great advancement in different places and contexts. To say that having a few people (moral authorities) morally controlling the masses is a straight-up "good" thing in and of itself is incorrect if you consider mass human suffering to be evil.

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CaseyTS t1_j0j0wo2 wrote

> That's different than believing in no truth, which I see as offering the subject no thought at all.

Careful not to accuse your opponents of not even thinking just because you strongly disagree. People carefully think about and consider things that they do not have a definite truth for all the time, and even someone who questions everything and believes only in subjective reality (i.e. no objective truth) might think deeply about things.

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SnooPies5837 t1_j0j0vzp wrote

Well, obviously? Nietzsche figured that out a century and a half ago. Healthy/Unhealthy would be a better binary, but I’m sure that would run that to its own set if problems as well, depending on who is determining them. At least they would be more observable and more in line with scientific thought. Good and evil are of course, far foo vague and difficult to pinpoint. You could even go Bonhoeffer’s route and do a smart/stupid binary 🙃

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