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HardOntologist t1_j0kbed4 wrote
Reply to The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
Counterpoint: the power of abstraction means all correlations can be generalized into polarities, and simplifying morality this way, like all abstractions, has its benefits and its costs.
danrthemanr t1_j0k6woz wrote
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Right but okay so I'm not that big of a philosopher or whatever, but I do get where they're coming from when they say "Poor people today enjoy luxuries that kings in medieval times could only dream of." Like, society has always progressed and quality of life has always gone up, at least since the Renaissance.
PS Maybe not for the developing world and Native reservations and stuff... but I guess what I'm arguing against is the idea that you can't create a list of pros and cons, that there's just cons.
Top_Net_123 t1_j0k5fqp wrote
Reply to What Plato Would Say About ChatGPT: Zeynep Tufekci argues that A.I. can be a learning tool for schools with enough teachers and resources to use it well. (The New York Times) by darrenjyc
There’s really no other possibility than properly including this technology in class. If it is really useful, students will certainly use it, at least to cheat. Interesting.
BernardJOrtcutt t1_j0k52hi wrote
Reply to What Plato Would Say About ChatGPT: Zeynep Tufekci argues that A.I. can be a learning tool for schools with enough teachers and resources to use it well. (The New York Times) by darrenjyc
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RomanGrande t1_j0k3pm6 wrote
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i do not think, at this present moment in time, that we have enough know how to work around this.
DarkJester89 t1_j0jydq3 wrote
Reply to comment by IAI_Admin in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
> write off our opposition as evil, prompting us to act in a way that is uncharitable
and uncaring.
This whole sentence seems like it was written by someone who just wants to put words on a page and not considering what they mean in a paragraph together.
TheSadSquid420 t1_j0ju4nv wrote
Reply to comment by ting_bu_dong in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
“Ironic…”
CleaveIshallnot t1_j0jty7q wrote
Reply to comment by ImmoralityPet in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
Too long my friend. I Hazel way too long...
Thanks tho
ImmoralityPet t1_j0jrz7o wrote
Reply to comment by CleaveIshallnot in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
the abyss also gazes into you... long enough?
ImmoralityPet t1_j0jrmei wrote
Reply to comment by ting_bu_dong in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
It's.... well it's not great.
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RedLobster_Biscuit t1_j0j80s0 wrote
Reply to comment by RedOrchestra137 in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
Surprisingly enough Nietzsche didn't solve philosophy. The inquiry continues.
Nee_Nihilo t1_j0j5q0t wrote
Reply to comment by IAI_Admin in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
Hitler did evil. There's no nuance there. False false dichotomy.
CaseyTS t1_j0j2mpy wrote
Reply to comment by VersaceEauFraiche in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
> Good vs Evil in this implicit Christian sense that we all understand it to mean. To speak though as if this is the case, that 21st century Anglophone countries operate on a Good vs Evil basis, is absurd.
Also - why does the absense of some former, implicitly abrahamic morals imply that the West no longer operates considering good and evil? Not sure how that is connected. Christianity is a source of morality, and it is not unique in that way.
Edit: obviously, people in the west do bad things, but you're ignoring a huge portion of people if you think people in the west at large don't consider morals in their actions.
CaseyTS t1_j0j25qi wrote
Reply to comment by VersaceEauFraiche in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
You're making the assumption that the people who wield moral authority use that control to prevent harmful actions, in general. Frequently, that is not the motivation of people with moral power. Frequently enough that it is innaccurate to say that moral control of the masses is categorized as "good" in and of itself.
DevilDrives t1_j0j1pc8 wrote
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One does not guide a good-bad dichotomy.
The good-bad dichotomy guides people.
Authority figures that promote, enforce, or impose a good-bad dichotomy can definitely serve to misguide people or pose a danger to humanity or nature. However, it is a double-edged sword. It can also be applied appropriately and provide for peace and safety.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I think many people - especially philosophers - are well aware of the subjectivity of good and evil and they're able to arrive at conclusions that are not stuck in that dichotomy. However, some people have very poor critical thinking skills and they have the conscience of a alligator.
If we depart entirely from the dichotomy, how do we preserve peace?
CaseyTS t1_j0j1pbx wrote
Reply to comment by VersaceEauFraiche in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
> Evil (bad) means selfish, greedy, and condemning the strong for acting upon their strength
If that's Neitzche's definition of evil, I have to say, it is not at all a general definition of evil. "Condeming the strong for acting upon their strength" doesn't enter into it. "Condemning the strong for acting upon their strength by oppressing people" is what I, and many people whose morals are about preventing human suffering, think.
brbaca t1_j0j1axx wrote
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No kidding. If you don’t agree with the lamestream these days, you’re called an evil racist terrorist😂😂😂. Never has a group of people needed this common sense offering more than the folks of Reddit.
CaseyTS t1_j0j1aaq wrote
Reply to comment by VersaceEauFraiche in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
That control that you're talking about has caused both great suffering and great advancement in different places and contexts. To say that having a few people (moral authorities) morally controlling the masses is a straight-up "good" thing in and of itself is incorrect if you consider mass human suffering to be evil.
CaseyTS t1_j0j0wo2 wrote
Reply to comment by Happyradish532 in The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
> That's different than believing in no truth, which I see as offering the subject no thought at all.
Careful not to accuse your opponents of not even thinking just because you strongly disagree. People carefully think about and consider things that they do not have a definite truth for all the time, and even someone who questions everything and believes only in subjective reality (i.e. no objective truth) might think deeply about things.
SnooPies5837 t1_j0j0vzp wrote
Reply to The good/ binary in morality is misguided and can be dangerous | Tommy Curry, Massimo Pigliucci, Joanna Kavenna by IAI_Admin
Well, obviously? Nietzsche figured that out a century and a half ago. Healthy/Unhealthy would be a better binary, but I’m sure that would run that to its own set if problems as well, depending on who is determining them. At least they would be more observable and more in line with scientific thought. Good and evil are of course, far foo vague and difficult to pinpoint. You could even go Bonhoeffer’s route and do a smart/stupid binary 🙃
[deleted] t1_j0j0hcy wrote
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HardOntologist t1_j0kbi13 wrote
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Cuz there's a tootsie roll center. Better than truth.