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zazzologrendsyiyve t1_j9u6or7 wrote
Reply to comment by doctorcrimson in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I’m not sure what you were trying to say with your last sentence, but somehow I agree with you.
Could you expand a little?
Mahaka1a t1_j9u66jg wrote
Reply to comment by doctorcrimson in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Consider an alternate perspective.
Science is not real. It is amazingly functional. Probably the single most functional tool ever created by humans! But just a tool.
Likewise, my words here are not real/true! They are some degree of functional. A perspective that could have some utilitarian quality in this universe.
Evolution selects for functionality, not the perception of reality. Science does not need to be thrown out or excluded in the context above. Maybe it seems paradoxical, but not incompatible.
Mahaka1a t1_j9u4myt wrote
Reply to comment by Sonic324 in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Reality is a fantasy in the first place, so is openness when it’s the opposite.
Downvote if you are too ignorant to understand.
SpiransPaululum t1_j9u4krk wrote
Reply to comment by ilolvu in Often mischaracterized as a rather debaucherous, hedonistic philosophy, Epicureanism actually focuses on the removal of pain and anxiety from our lives, and champions a calm ‘philosophy as therapy’ approach in pursuit of life’s highest pleasure: mental tranquility. by philosophybreak
The text is from Peter Green's Alexander to Actium (California 1993), from Chapter 35, "The Garden of Epicurus" (618-630).
My original post simply expressed the direction I have come to lean concerning the preponderance of testimonia and scholarly debate. You are of course free to weigh the evidence yourself, toss out whatever you wish, and thus lean in whatever direction you wish.
I hope you'll understand if I tend to weigh the opinion of Peter Green and my own over yours. :D
That said, I'm sure you'll find many who lean in your direction.
RedVariant t1_j9u4foz wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
We are cursed with incomprehensibility, and will accept anything incomprehensible as an explanation. The madman will always be labeled a “prophet” and will be defended with violence because the state of accepting incomprehensibility is more painful than just dying.
Mahaka1a t1_j9u44p8 wrote
Reply to comment by NihilistDeer in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
More than 2500 years before these guys, someone was not only at this point, but went well beyond. This is enjoyable child’s play.
Relevant_Monstrosity t1_j9txmek wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
As a computer programmer, I can confirm that functional closure is a VERY effective model for interaction with real-world systems. I EXTENSIVELY use functional closure when writing business systems. I am not surprised (in fact, I am quite intrigued) to see this idea being generalized to interpret the human experience!
LookingForVheissu t1_j9tw980 wrote
Reply to comment by NihilistDeer in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I feel like that’s what most articles and essays here end up being. Poorly rephrased definitions of things that are already well thought out.
BernardJOrtcutt t1_j9tw0l6 wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
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NoCan4538 t1_j9tvvlh wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
the whole point of "IGNORANCE is BLISS"
cloake t1_j9tvuh8 wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I agree with the unrealist postmodern, clearly we are making best approximations of narrative realities. However I disagree with unrealisim anyway, we're just spoiled and distorted by being the dominant predator. When the wolves overcome the bunny population, do we say anything fundamental has shifted? No, the circumstances have certainly done so, but still the same game table, still the same rules. I understand the unrealist is stating we can't possibly really get "there," but can we really state that. That's why I fight so hard against human intuition, most people have no interest in teasing out what is expedience or self soothing and what is truthful and repeatable.
doctorcrimson t1_j9tup2x wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I disagree that we cannot or do not quantify or define what is real. Philosophies like this, to me, always read as an ignorance of science or a poor excuse not to look behind the curtain that is your current shallow understanding of a subject. Best part is, when you start to get far enough along into mathematics and statistics, you realize it all sort of ties back together.
frogandbanjo t1_j9tub5x wrote
Reply to comment by NihilistDeer in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Or just the initial concessions of the scientific method. All of it goes back to Descartes and Hume, too. "Yes, yes, fine, we can't know. But we can muddle through fairly well, and in the meantime, it's exhausting to keep explicitly issuing forth the caveat that we don't actually know-know."
The counterpoint is Nietzschean: there's money in making a ton of people completely forget that you can't know-know. There's money in making them think that your model - whether it was created responsibly or not - is in fact the truth. Don't get conned. Become the con man instead.
[deleted] t1_j9ttw3r wrote
Reply to comment by Coomer-Boomer in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
I didn't mean to give them the money to pay higher rent. I meant to give them the money to own the homes. The previous landlords will receive on compensation as we transition away from landlording.
averagedebatekid t1_j9tqsce wrote
Reply to comment by NihilistDeer in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Or Deleuze’s rhizome and tree
NihilistDeer t1_j9tqnvo wrote
Reply to comment by philwasalreadytaken in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I wrote my undergrad thesis on Heidegger’s “The Origin of the Work of Art” and Dreyfus came for a symposium with our department that year. Didn’t agree with him on everything, but he knew his Heidegger. Lawson is trying to thread the needle of philosophy of language’s reference problem, but I don’t think closure offers anything new or particularly interesting.
Coomer-Boomer t1_j9toqwz wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
The landlords would be happy with the subsidy, but it doesn't do much for the renter (except encourage them to move where the cash gets more). I guess the subsidized housing could drive out the would be gentrifiers, but then everybody's worse off.
philwasalreadytaken t1_j9tolmt wrote
Im-a-magpie t1_j9toado wrote
Reply to comment by Thelonious_Cube in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
The ordinary concept is simple libertarian free will. There's nothing contradictory about it. Most people just reject a deterministic universe. Compatibilism is motivated by some desperate need to preserve our intuitive notions of justice, morality and ethics instead of accepting that those intuitions are flawed and don't reflect reality.
k3170makan t1_j9tnnwp wrote
Sonic324 t1_j9tk7tz wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Reality is a waste of time when you reword it.
NihilistDeer t1_j9tgnnl wrote
Reply to comment by IAI_Admin in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
This is really not radical. Basically a rewording of Heidegger’s phenomenology.
lpuckeri t1_j9u76o9 wrote
Reply to comment by Relevant_Monstrosity in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I also program and have zero clue what you mean by closures are a very effective model for interactions with real-world systems'. Thats not what a closure is... Closures are a basic part of languages and scoping... hell i extensively use closures when writing basically anything. No idea how its a model... or effective at interactions eith real world systems... its just a matter of scoping and accessing outer variables.
What you said sounds like a deepity