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Confident-Broccoli-5 t1_j9k1hdc wrote

>The problem is that the self is itself an illusion

I've found these claims largely come down to how the self is initially conceptualised, someone might say the self is some "inner entity" within experience, upon which someone else may say no it's not, therefore it's declared illusory (similar to how Harris argues for the illusory self). Someone else may simply define self as not a "thing" one has but a "thing" one is, i.e talk of "self" is just talk of the human being I am, not talk of some "self" I own/have. It can largely just come down to linguistics & how we define "self" etc, it's an extremely jumbled topic & can also be conflated with maintenance of personal identity, which is largely a different philosophical discussion. Overall though, I don't see that there is any genuine "problem" of the self, rather just countless linguistic confusions & various moves people make. See here -

https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/742/

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[deleted] t1_j9k0uh5 wrote

>The author made some broad, sweeping statements that were easily shown to be false. If that is the case, what could be some other things that the author might have fudged for the sake of their argument?

Some of what the author said applies only to one specific neighborhood. In other neighborhoods, it doesn't apply.

So you'll attack the claim that whites are doing all the gentrification.

But that's not a claim that he made. Did he? I only see mention of this specific neighborhood with regards to race. And it's not even the important part of the article to my eye.

Is this not the very definition of attacking a straw man?

Edit: Also, it wasn't hyperbole, it was sarcasm, right?

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TheRushConcush t1_j9k0tb8 wrote

I respectfully disagree, I think the case is quite poor as it entirely misses the essence of the problem and as others have stated as well, implies an objectively correct answer to philosophical issues can exist.

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VersaceEauFraiche t1_j9k0k48 wrote

You don't have to speak in hyperbole, no one is demanding that of you.

The author made some broad, sweeping statements that were easily shown to be false. If that is the case, what could be some other things that the author might have fudged for the sake of their argument?

Again, the author could have simply made the case for X or Y or Z policies on their own merit but they wanted to add some gusto behind the argument. This means including rectifying racial injustice as a part of their raison d'être. But getting some of the foundational aspects of your argument incorrect feels like the author was putting the cart before the horse.

Honestly articles like this are fairly boilerplate, dime a dozen. Academics love to churn this stuff out. A more interesting point of contention would be analyzing the intersection between the Big Tech, diverse workforces who work in Tech, the progressive ideology that these workers overwhelmingly endorse (such as being anti-gentrification), and actually gentrifying such places. Trying to manage and balance a diverse political coalition that is easily prone to in-fighting and whose material interests often come at the expense of other members in the group would be an interesting dynamic to analyze. But no one believes that they are the ones carrying out such societal ills, these workers probably think that they aren't gentrifying even though they are (maybe because they read articles like this and believe that its only gentrification when/if you're White).

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black_brook t1_j9k02mn wrote

Even if an experiment isn't designed to lead the witness, it can still have that effect. Experiments and analogies tend to create situations ripe with pitfalls for our natural tendency to be lead astray by language.

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Midrya t1_j9jzy2n wrote

Could you provide an example? Certainly there are solutions to problems that maximize for specific goals, but you would need to establish that the goal itself is objectively derived, and not just something that is desired.

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Im-a-magpie t1_j9jz63p wrote

>constant allusions to the "fact" that if you don't "get it" then you're just not savvy enough, you're just not seeing things the right way.

This is the most frustrating thing when talking to a compatibilist. They basically start from the position that their belief is correct and if you disagree it's because you just don't get it.

The reality is they use the term "free will" in a completely different way than it's common conceptualization and then act as if their definition is the obvious one.

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TheRealClyde t1_j9jyu36 wrote

I completely disagree with this and generally i have the words to say why but im struggling here.

Sure moral intuitions depends heavily on context. But thats like the whole point of everything. If i get two different responses on the morality of something from 2 different people, that IS insightful, even if you believe that there is only one way that ethically you can act in that scenario.

For example, the trolley problem. One person gives a detailed explanation of why they would pull the lever. One person gives a detailed response about why they wouldn't. Yes both of those responses are dependent on the individual and the context, but why does it not matter because of that? Does the thought that both of these people disagree on what to do not generate philosphical insight?

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Im-a-magpie t1_j9jy5yo wrote

>And that is perfectly compatible with determinism

It isn't though. The ordinary concept of free will (the way most people use the term) is directly on contradiction with a deterministic universe

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