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cdubbs75 t1_j8lfxny wrote
Reply to comment by AtlantisTempest in You're probably a eugenicist by 4r530n
Getting rid of "less desirable PoC babies" was the specific goal of noted Eugenicist Margaret Sanger when she started Planned Parenthood so their location in the black neighborhoods is intentional.
Not fun fact, more black babies are aborted each year than are born in the US.
bradyvscoffeeguy t1_j8l9c8k wrote
Reply to comment by MasterReset7 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
If consciousness is an emergent phenomenon, and if consciousness entails a first person perspective, then a first person perspective does arise from the simulation. That experience within that perspective will be the same if the emergent phenomenon is the same, which I assume you were positing by allowing the simulation to be sufficiently accurate. Of course this means that the "external" part of the simulation will have to respond to the subroutine running the mind, such that it can then produce "sensory" feedback for the mind in response to the mind's "actions". But in this hypothetical you propose I don't see why that would be impossible.
To conclude, if you accept materialism of the mind, then you must accept that your first person experience could in principle be born from a sufficiently accurate simulation. To use a sci-fi allegory, you could be a program in the Matrix.
MasterReset7 t1_j8l5li6 wrote
Reply to comment by bradyvscoffeeguy in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Yeah, I understand what you are saying, like, of course is the same phenomenon observed, but is not the same phenomenon in the 1 person POV.
Zerce t1_j8kxbkx wrote
Reply to comment by vagelen in The way of dharma | how ancient stories of talking elephants and singing birds encourage a life of truth, nonviolence and compassion by ADefiniteDescription
Is there not a third option here, to experience both the pleasure of food and the pleasure of its absence?
DoctorDream614 t1_j8kwrrv wrote
I've also heard a version of everybody has a different perspective and view like I can't see life in this room from your point of view you can't see it from my point of view and all the pain and suffering and enjoying happiness that we go through only we can experience in that way and God is living through us. time will not seeks to exist until God knows every feeling and every situation that there can be
DoctorDream614 t1_j8kwmdy wrote
Reply to comment by DarnisDarby in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Ishmael by Daniel Quinn will make you question our whole society and system
DoctorDream614 t1_j8kr4sq wrote
Reply to comment by Giggalo_Joe in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
But what if all the choices we have arn't either right or wrong they just exist to be used if someone decides too that route. It's like the question of is evil real and is good and kindness real we say certain things are evil but that's just something the majority of pp have come to except as evil there is neither good nor bad theirs just our perception of actions that tells us what's good and bad. Killers think nothing is wrong with their actions and how can that be if evil does exis cuz evil would have self knowledge of it being the wrong thing to do but a lot of cereal killers see no wrong In their actions is it really kindness and good to feed ur dog everyday or is it just a agreed upon that he gives u satisfaction so u give him satisfaction back by feeding him
DoctorDream614 t1_j8kpgo7 wrote
Reply to comment by Maximus_En_Minimus in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
I don't believe it ppl shouldnt reproduce my point was were the only form of life that thinks on a higher lvl and wants to be noticed I'm throwing ideas out there we could all be hooked up computers talking to each other Wich were made by same said society and so on
DoctorDream614 t1_j8koonn wrote
Read the book of Ishmael by Daniel Quinn that opened my eyes to a lot
DoctorDream614 t1_j8kofvd wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
No I never heard of that I'm going to Google it and check it out thanks
DarklyDrawn t1_j8kle8b wrote
Reply to You're probably a eugenicist by 4r530n
The fools will eradicate schizophrenia, and then they’ll experience eugenicists remorse.
[deleted] t1_j8keaeg wrote
Reply to comment by DoctorDream614 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Have you read about Pyrrhonism? You might find the ten modes of Aenesidemus relevant to your question.
KrabbyMccrab t1_j8ka9qg wrote
Reply to comment by SvetlanaButosky in The way of dharma | how ancient stories of talking elephants and singing birds encourage a life of truth, nonviolence and compassion by ADefiniteDescription
Marvel is best case scenario if super heros were a thing. Check out The Boys on Amazon. Turns out people + powers are still people with the same ethical chinks.
DoctorDream614 t1_j8k9jx9 wrote
Would there be a perception of life? Or existence of self perception if people didn't exist. because animals live in the world how it is in humans for some reason have to build it to their way of what they perceive as they're existence and reason for being? Are we just self important assholes who think we're here for something special but really we are no different in our perseption then the bird cuz he builds a nest for his next generation and we do to. But how does the bird differ from us cuz he stops when he's accomplished his needs but humans have a self important complex. And build for impression not preservation.
BernardJOrtcutt t1_j8k7vnx wrote
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cugamer t1_j8k1m1g wrote
Reply to comment by intrenxt13 in CMV: Forming Organizations that Promote Abrahamic Religions Should be Illegalized to Protect People of Other Faiths, Science, and LGBT+ Individuals by Ok-Gas-9476
If you want to read OP's rant he's spammed it to a bunch of other subs so just check his posting history. Also, it's not worth bothering, this reads like yet another Reddit fifteen year old who just read The God Delusion and thinks he's discovered something profound.
bradyvscoffeeguy t1_j8k1fj7 wrote
Reply to comment by MasterReset7 in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 13, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
>If we lived in a simulated universe, we would not be conscious right? Like, if we have a code that could perfectly simulate a human mind into a game, such that this simulated mind really really looks like to us to have conscious, this would be nothing more than a illusion because is just this, a simulation, a program extremely complex created by us.
I think this is wrong. Let's assume that we don't have souls, that instead the mind arises solely from the material world, i.e. our brain. Then the mind, including consciousness, is an emergent phenomenon, which is currently generated materially. But you posit a hypothetical in which the same phenomenon could be generated using programmed software and hardware to run it on. But the emergent phenomenon is the same (because you posit it is), and so consciousness still emerges.
DarnisDarby t1_j8k1c6f wrote
Somewhat barely exploring philosophy with values I find to help. If anyone can leave any book or reading recommendations on optimistic nihilism and Absurdism?
Benjowenjo t1_j8jvaq1 wrote
Reply to comment by quidpropron in The way of dharma | how ancient stories of talking elephants and singing birds encourage a life of truth, nonviolence and compassion by ADefiniteDescription
Interesting to see the Greek “Logos” in the definition.
I’m curious how similar this is to the conception of the Dao.
vagelen t1_j8jut14 wrote
Reply to The way of dharma | how ancient stories of talking elephants and singing birds encourage a life of truth, nonviolence and compassion by ADefiniteDescription
I don't think so. The actual goal is to be philosophical zombie:
-Reverend Nagasena, what is the difference between the lustful man and the man free from lusts?
- My King, the man free of lusts experiences the taste only of the food. The lustful man experiences both the taste and the pleasure of the food.
intrenxt13 t1_j8jul2j wrote
Reply to CMV: Forming Organizations that Promote Abrahamic Religions Should be Illegalized to Protect People of Other Faiths, Science, and LGBT+ Individuals by Ok-Gas-9476
Your entire description got removed.
- Philosophy is roughly speaking, lobe for wisdom. Since I am not a theologian, I don't know about Christianity.
- You still haven't formed an argument against their morality.
It is better to read SEP and Christian Theology rather than ask non-academics these questions.
Ok-Gas-9476 OP t1_j8jswvt wrote
Reply to comment by intrenxt13 in CMV: Forming Organizations that Promote Abrahamic Religions Should be Illegalized to Protect People of Other Faiths, Science, and LGBT+ Individuals by Ok-Gas-9476
Did you even read the article? Of course Christianity promotes violence. Christian parents push their gay children out into the streets to die of homelessness. Even worse a Muslim parent will just kill you for coming out as atheist or if you decide to not marry who they have in mind as a woman. Therefore, we must prosecute leaders of religions to protect society as a whole because people who practice Abrahamic religions promote this form of violence even though they may not appear to do so directly. Do not be fooled by "peace loving" Christians or Muslisms. There is no possibility of peace when they will try to force their views on you violently once they become the majority. This is also the case in European countries where Muslims kill non Muslims to instill fear in non-muslims as the Muslims slowly become the majority in various regions in Europe. As a result, being a non-muslim becomes dangerous because they will kill you for it.
intrenxt13 t1_j8jsah1 wrote
Reply to comment by Ok-Gas-9476 in CMV: Forming Organizations that Promote Abrahamic Religions Should be Illegalized to Protect People of Other Faiths, Science, and LGBT+ Individuals by Ok-Gas-9476
- Religions don't do anything, people do.
- Do all Christians commit violence? I don't think so.
- Why do you think their moral views are wrong? Have you successfully argued against them?
Ok-Gas-9476 OP t1_j8jrw39 wrote
Reply to comment by intrenxt13 in CMV: Forming Organizations that Promote Abrahamic Religions Should be Illegalized to Protect People of Other Faiths, Science, and LGBT+ Individuals by Ok-Gas-9476
Why not? This is a serious discussion about morality because Abrahamic religions use violence to impose what they think is supposedly moral even though its total bullshit. I think that they should be prosecuted just for their very existence because they threaten my existence as someone who is a gay atheist. We simply cannot coexist.
naelastr t1_j8ll41e wrote
Reply to “The principle of protecting our own thinking from eavesdroppers is fundamental to autonomy.” – Daniel Dennett debates the sort of free will it’s worth wanting with neuroscientists Patrick Haggard and philosopher Helen Steward by IAI_Admin
probably assume I don't have agency