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Fearless-Temporary29 t1_j7ijfjh wrote

Reply to ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

As the 8 billion strong meat balloon continues it's inevitable planetary overshoot the only flow is towards the dustbin of extinction.

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quidpropron t1_j7ihy3b wrote

Reply to comment by Hayaidesu in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

There's 2 places I've seen it first hand, restaurants and auto shops. When you have a mechanic/chef that can consistently pump out the work of like six people, and nothing seems to faze them, almost like they're anticipating every mistake and misfortune. There's a way of sort of lengthening the duration in a flow state, but the stress and pressure have to be something that actually pushes you. The people I've seen, know the basic tasks/jobs like muscle memory. They know exactly how many steps, and and what's the shortest amount of time each step needs to take. So then they can throw in multiple repairs/dishes into one seamless flow where they're constantly in motion, where they're uninterruptedly cranking out of finished products on top of the required prep work. Of course, this is a lot easier in both those situations when you're working as part of a team.

There's a difference, imho, between doing it with routine tasks you've already mastered, and learning something novel. An issue I'm seeing with a lot of Gen Y-er's is the lack of appreciation for silence and purposeful contemplation that's required to actually get a handle on a learning curve. Your point is valid, there's no use in a flow state if you don't have the capacity to maintain and utilize it.

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ghostofpostapocalive t1_j7iehaz wrote

Reply to comment by FrankDrakman in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

Yeah, I don't think so and I think your hungover golf game is probably a poor example. That seems more like dumb luck, rather than the culmination of your skills/practice coming together for you to perform without thinking and by pure reaction.

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FrankDrakman t1_j7ibjyi wrote

Reply to comment by ghostofpostapocalive in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

> if you're a skier, surfer, slater, climber etc. You've definitely had moments where everything links up

I've heard from downhill racers that when they have a run where everything links up and there's no hairy moments, they know they've finished twelfth. It's only when they're right on the edge of complete wipeout that they're in contention. Not 'flow' as I understand it.

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FrankDrakman t1_j7iacqj wrote

Reply to comment by Whatsupmydude420 in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

I used to do TM when I was a teenager. Unfortunately, years of bad choices have made it extremely difficult; I have so much stress I can't "go under". Gotta keep working on that..

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SolaireOfSuburbia t1_j7i80zd wrote

Reply to comment by Stornahal in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

My center of the typhoon moment was at a party on an upstairs apartment, having consumed a tab of acid, a four loko, and some flora. I was very intoxicated. Everybody was being too loud and I was in the corner in a zen state suggesting that we all be considerate of our downstairs neighbors so that we didn't have our mellow harshed by the law.

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Hayaidesu t1_j7i7lhv wrote

Reply to ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

I get into flow when I write songs and record but the end result is always bad but I learn something new recently of how the term writer block was coined and it was was interesting to discover why and how it was formed

Basically it was excuse to resolve one of responsibility

So I think flow your skill does not matter just be willing to fail and keep on failing and gradually improve

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Hayaidesu t1_j7i77su wrote

Reply to ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

What does this mean? I’m kind of feel like it is saying don’t think and just do and be and flow and be one with time but your skills need to be be good because challenges you face will feel abrupt and stop the flow

Kind of like people messing up your high say crazy shit to fuck with you

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Canuck7099 t1_j7i30je wrote

Reply to comment by jamminjalepeno in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

The way he put it was the fine the channel between boredom and anxiety. With boredom being on the y axis and anxiety on the x axis then drawing a line 45 from the corner to find that channel.

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GoCurtin t1_j7i1cag wrote

Reply to ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

the ego seems to be replaced by the act itself. Completing the act becomes 'the thing'... instead of it being 'you' who needs to 'do' something. The thing itself is just happening. So beautiful.

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BrendonBootyUrie t1_j7i1b5r wrote

Reply to comment by MuteSecurityO in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

Well many of the meditation/ mindfulness practices taken from Taoism popularised by modern western psychology is conflate mindfulness and equanimity as the same thing and end goal, whereas from my understanding practicing mindfulness is in the goal to reach equanimity.

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BrendonBootyUrie t1_j7i0kf0 wrote

Reply to comment by thoughandtho in ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

Yeah I've experienced that too with beat sabre, along with writing and gyming. To me the feeling feels like everything goes silent, there's no internal dialogue, with beat sabre it's almost like a weightlessness and my arms are just doing things while my eyes are watching what's going on almost in slow motion, with writing (technically typing) it feels a lot faster as all I notice is my fingers moving rapidly, the sentence doesn't register in my mind its almost as if my fingers have a mind of their own, gyming is similar to beat sabre, complete silence and absolute focus, no need to think about the movement, my breathing or what number rep I'm up to.

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R_Kotex_Cylborg t1_j7hxit2 wrote

Reply to comment by SvetlanaButosky in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 06, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt

I would call into question the definition of suffering. Does the "school" consider if there degrees of it? How is it quantified? How is it balanced? How objectivity factors into the equation, and what a lack of suffering would look like, mathematically?

Whether it's morally sound to conclude that any existence of some degree of suffering negates all value of all life, universally in particular, resulting in the duty of life to annihilate itself, I would give a resounding no. We are a mere dust, a fraction of the contents of the universe, and our annihilation may serve no more purpose than our preservation. In light of the choice, as you present it, we should choose life. We are not the drivers of life, nor of existence itself. This "doctrine" is vain and ignorant in that sense, putting more value on humans in the universe than what we deserve.

The only duty we may garnish from our existence is to abide by natural laws that we do not create. We do not have the capacity to destroy all life, because life is greater than us. It's not our place to decide whether suffering makes it "worth it" in a vast, violent, expanding universe that we cannot truly comprehend.

So, no, our 100% suffering would not mean that we should annihilate everything, to cure the universe. Life and suffering are not, unfortunately, mutually exclusive.

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R_Kotex_Cylborg t1_j7htk45 wrote

Reply to comment by Saadiqfhs in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | February 06, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt

I would say, it depends, as love for me is not the same as love for everyone, and it depends on what you want and long for, but apples do show bananas things about life that they wouldn't see otherwise, and we say opposites attract, perhaps for a reason, but perhaps that's not for everyone, depending on what it is that you want most in life.

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awkward_replies_2 t1_j7hsgvd wrote

Reply to ‘Flow’, comparable to the Chinese concept of Wu Wei, dissolves our sense of self and transforms our experience of time. It’s an antidote to the modern world’s obsession with multitasking, but finding it depends on balancing the challenge of a task against our skill. by IAI_Admin

I disagree. Flow is the highly motivating state where you DO something continuously productive towards a goal you want to achieve, while Wu Wei is literally the ABSENCE of action and goal-orientation.

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