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BernardJOrtcutt t1_j702yqi wrote

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tkuiper t1_j6zy4gq wrote

Psychosis can make the concept of solypsism more relevant to you. The condition makes the external world less consistent, lowering confidence in external persistence, which undermines the basis for 'taking a leap of faith' and moving beyond solypsism. Why put effort into studying an 'external' reality who's rules change constantly?

Solypsism is a philosophical stance. Psychosis is a sensory condition. You can choose solypsism, you can't choose psychosis.

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Dreamcatcher993 t1_j6zuttk wrote

You can't escape the dictation of outer, life or collective reality whatever you wanna call it.But ofc you can built all your knowledge on your instinctive beliefs, refusing to acknowledge facts forever.Like a life sentenced prisoner in cell claiming it's his bedroom.

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HeMan17 t1_j6zm57x wrote

Mixed market Capitalism is without a doubt the best system available.

Socialism has been implemented 26 times and failed every single time.

There is no example in history you can point to in which a system other than capitalism has worked in the long term.

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tominator93 t1_j6zf41j wrote

Yeah, agreed that the entire article can’t be reduced down to Hegelian dialectics. Just that the last line in the header quote seems deeply dialectical in nature.

Hegel himself described his dialectics as the “speculative mode of cognition”, which seems quite close to what Russell is describing there.

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SvetlanaButosky t1_j6yumj4 wrote

Exactly, how can we ever know that we have known everything there is to know about reality?

As long as new things are discovered, it will never be complete.

He assumes that we will reach a point when nothing new will ever be discovered for the rest of time, that's a very big claim. lol

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stumblewiggins t1_j6yhsqe wrote

Yes and no. But thesis-->antithesis-->synthesis is (in my possibly flawed recollection) more about how ideas interact with each other and the world to progress human knowledge, Russell seems to be talking more about the roots of our knowledge, that at the base they aren't built on what we would call knowledge epistemologically, but on the raw and naive "instinctual" beliefs that we have.

Seems to me that Russell's point is that while these are not immutable, we can examine them and modify them, they can't be wholly removed.

In this reading, I would say it's not a bad analogy to invoke Hegel, but it is a bit reductive.

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tkuiper t1_j6yge3y wrote

Based on how he uses it in the argument, I would describe this comment as you need to trust in persistence if you want to make progress.

Alternatively: Last Thursdayism cannot be disproven, but you also won't progress if that's a deal breaker.

Russell claims we can reject Last Thursdayism on grounds of "common-sense", but he admits its weak. Id say even more so in the present day.

Instead I reject Last Thursdayism on grounds of utility. If Last Thursdayism is true, there's nothing I can do about it, so there's no cost in being wrong.

Other names for this problem are Solypsism and Descartes Demon. All different hues of the same problem.

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tominator93 t1_j6yd31e wrote

Isn’t that just a granular level of the same process though? To the extent that societal beliefs emerge from the networked interactions of individuals wrestling with their shared intuitions and beliefs?

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stumblewiggins t1_j6y3kt6 wrote

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tominator93 t1_j6y0hr4 wrote

> We can organize these beliefs and their consequences, modifying or abandoning them until they don’t clash, forming a harmonious system.

Isn’t this just Hegel? Thesis, antithesis, synthesis?

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bonEzz_1 t1_j6xonf6 wrote

to me the problem is that you can never be sure you know everything, since you can always ask "is there something we are missing?", and the answer has to be, by definition "we don't know".

in practical terms it doesn't really mean much since we can get by just fine by doing "what works", but in theoretical terms I don't think you can ever be sure that you have learned everything, that you haven't missed something that would change your understanding of things, and in that sense, you can never be sure of the truth of what you know, so you are forced to remain sceptical about it

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Jingle-man t1_j6xhdue wrote

>Falsifying and censoring data is NOT science, it's lies!

Well if the only science I have access to is that which is published, and the publishing process is worthy of scepticism (which it is), then what difference does it make? The science that I see, I must be sceptical of.

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XiphosAletheria t1_j6x8i39 wrote

>I really don't believe that at all.

You don't believe that if people are repeatedly lied to, they eventually begin to mistrust those who lied to them? Because that's a basic psychological truth, really.

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