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Java2391 t1_j62gp17 wrote

Isn’t it immoral to not help someone from a bad decision? One that could end their life? A person who begins drugs goes to rehab, they are out still going through recovery and there is a clear opportunity to stop them from relapsing. Would it not be immoral to allow their life to end or be damaged if you didn’t help them?

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WrongAspects t1_j62aoe8 wrote

I think the nitpick of eternity vs infinite time is just weird word games.

Omnipresence applies to all possible universes God created or will create not just this one.

And at this point I am not that untreated Interested in your other twisting of commonly understood words to mean something they are not.

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Fishermans_Worf t1_j61go9a wrote

I agree. Advice is often ill informed and can be harmful.

However, I'm not sure if he's saying that advice itself it immoral or that nonconsensual advice is immoral. News media is a pretty unreliable source for technical information.

The experience of others is valuable, and I do not see how consensual advice could be objectionable. All you have to do is ask.

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owlthatissuperb OP t1_j61eyn8 wrote

Eternity is typically seen as “outside” of time. Aquinas was probably the first to articulate this fully:

> Endless time is not eternity: it is just more of time. Eternity differs in essence, not merely accidentally in quantity. Endless time is an elongation of time. More of the same thing is essentially the same thing. … There is a crucial difference between the "now" of time and the "now" of eternity…. The "now" of time moves; the "now" of eternity does not move in any way

See [here](https://www.anselm.edu/sites/default/files/Documents/Institute of SA Studies/4.5.3.24_32Staley.pdf) and here for some interesting discussion and counterpoints.

I’ll also note that omnipresence is only infinite if the universe is infinite, which doesn’t seem to be the case. Whether omniscience is infinite kinda depends on how you define it. There are some interesting problems that come up if you try to give a technical definition.

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simonperry955 OP t1_j60o76z wrote

I think you're right, and I can see that what I wrote is confusing. I meant, "in this altruistic act, I place your interests above my own." It says nothing about what you might do in return. It's not a moral precept.

On the other hand, there are many different kinds of reciprocity, in various contexts. If my survival depends on your survival, personally - then of course I am going to help you in any way I can, and I am repaid in the long term by your continued well being. This is the interdependence hypothesis of human non-kin altruism. It was the situation for the human family tree for most of 2 million years. So, unconditional altruism does exist in some circumstances.

But tit-for-tat belongs in a more impersonal environment where I depend on you only indirectly and there is no great reason for us to trust each other beyond the enforcement of our reciprocal agreement.

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XiphosAletheria t1_j60hce5 wrote

Too much to comment on here, but this stood out to me

>Tomasello (2016) characterises altruism with the moral formula, "you > me" ; i.e., “I place your interests above my own”.  

That is true of pure altruism, but I am not sure there are many people over the age of six or who believe in that as a moral precept. Rather, much more common is a belief in reciprocal altruism, which is much more like enlightened self-interest, a willingness to help out without any immediate payoff in the expectation of help later on.

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