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I'm saying everything someone does is to reduce suffering. All the things you mentioned are done with the goal to reduce suffering, including avoiding boredom which is suffering. Enjoying life is avoiding suffering because the lack of enjoying life would create boredom and sadness which is suffering.

That there are no "rules" (which I agree with) doesn't mean anything is "random". What is "random" and "chaos" except our inability to know how the thrown dice will land because we don't have a magical outside perspective (to see the Big Bang leading into our parents meeting leading into what whe had for breakfast yesterday leading into what we'll have for breakfast tomorrow leading into how we die of a heart attack in 29 years, two months, five days, eleven hours and twenty-six minutes)?

My justification for equality is that comparing most individuals against human history is that we’re all personally negligible. Sure some of us may be somewhat better but overall individually we’re all practically nothing.

Quoted from mid-conversation in another thread:

>"This is just a contingent or definitional truth (i.e. a truth that is only true because you define a word in such a way, aka it is definitionally true that causing harm is immoral if I define immorality as doing harm)." --TrueBeluga
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>But causing harm and being malevolent are not the same thing. You can fail to cause harm while you were being malevolent. In fact some use the word malevolence for just the desire or inclination to do harm.
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>I am arguing morality is about good and evil. Arguably doing evil would be malevolence + causing (or actively trying to cause) harm and doing good would be its opposite, benevolence + preventing/undoing (or actively trying to prevent/undo) harm. Being immoral would be doing evil without a certain amount of doing good as "extenuating circumstances" and vice versa (i.e. a moral person is a person who tries to do as little evil as possible and if they cannot avoid doing evil they try to do good at the same time).
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>That you're saying "Well, that's only true if you define the word morality that way!" seems like semantics to me. I'm arguing that this was true before organic life came along and language even existed.
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>I can use made up words: Instead of morality we have rockapootity, instead of good and evil I have nicootan and baroom. It would still be the same thing: If lifeforms ever exist in this lifeless universe then a rockapootital person would be a person who tries to do as little baroom as possible and if they cannot avoid doing baroom they try to do nicootan at the same time. A society of lifeforms of exclusively doing baroom would quickly go under, a society of lifeforms of exclusively nicootan would thrive so a society trying to be the latter would organize standards to promote nicatoon and frown on baroom. The most rockapootital person in that society may be following those standards or deviating from them depending on how good those standards were made since those standards could be very poorly made.
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>EDIT: If the last part is unclear the most rockapootital person can say "These standards suck, they result in this baroom and this baroom." and the society can go "Oh, that person's right. We thought this was how to be the most rockapootital people we could be but clearly it's time to revise. You have done your society a very nicootan service."

So when a couple chooses to have a child you'd reference that to suffering? Or when someone is choosing to enjoy art or music or video games? Even when their lives may be comfortable such as having a good financial situation or what would be considered healthy relationships? Everything is in reference to "avoiding suffering"? I have the opposite view in that I think everything is done to live and enjoy life.

Yes 😊

>This is just a contingent or definitional truth (i.e. a truth that is only true because you define a word in such a way, aka it is definitionally true that causing harm is immoral if I define immorality as doing harm).

But causing harm and being malevolent are not the same thing. You can fail to cause harm while you were being malevolent. In fact some use the word malevolence for just the desire or inclination to do harm.

I am arguing morality is about good and evil. Arguably doing evil would be malevolence + causing (or actively trying to cause) harm and doing good would be its opposite, benevolence + preventing/undoing (or actively trying to prevent/undo) harm. Being immoral would be doing evil without a certain amount of doing good as "extenuating circumstances" and vice versa (i.e. a moral person is a person who tries to do as little evil as possible and if they cannot avoid doing evil they try to do good at the same time).

That you're saying "Well, that's only true if you define the word morality that way!" seems like semantics to me. I'm arguing that this was true before organic life came along and language even existed.

I can use made up words: Instead of morality we have rockapootity, instead of good and evil I have nicootan and baroom. It would still be the same thing: If lifeforms ever exist in this lifeless universe then a rockapootital person would be a person who tries to do as little baroom as possible and if they cannot avoid doing baroom they try to do nicootan at the same time. A society of lifeforms of exclusively doing baroom would quickly go under, a society of lifeforms of exclusively nicootan would thrive so a society trying to be the latter would organize standards to promote nicatoon and frown on baroom. The most rockapootital person in that society may be following those standards or deviating from them depending on how good those standards were made since those standards could be very poorly made.

EDIT: If the last part is unclear the most rockapootital person can say "These standards suck, they result in this baroom and this baroom." and the society can go "Oh, that person's right. We thought this was how to be the most rockapootital people we could be but clearly it's time to revise. You have done your society a very nicootan service."

Mostly unrelated: AI is the bane of humanity.

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