Recent comments in /f/philosophy

FreshEclairs t1_j4781uo wrote

There’s a lot of flaws here, IMO.

One example: you list danger as a real thing, but necessity/need as an imaginary thing.

Isn’t the existence of danger predicated on the existence of some need?

If my need for survival is imaginary, how can a threat to it be real?

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EducatorBig6648 t1_j475sy8 wrote

(sigh) What difference does it make what "my position" is or if if I'm "trying to put it forward"? The question is is what I'm saying logical and can you logically argue what I'm saying with me, yes?

I'm trying to provoke THOUGHT. What is wrong with you humans?

EDIT: In other words: Philosophy used to be about questioning things, is it the opposite here on reddit?

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Dripdry42 t1_j4743cp wrote

I feel this is often overlooked in discussing Nietzsche. Creating one's own ethics doesn't happen in a vacuum. It involves separating from a previous set of values, and that has to be dealt with and can be hard. our own salvation is important too. Not just adopting new paradigms.

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EducatorBig6648 t1_j4714bu wrote

It's not arbitrarily considered. If a pegasus does nothing outside our imagination it is a fiction. A horse does something outside our imagination as does danger and English. "Money" and "ownership" do nothing outside our imagination, they are not objective or subjective, they are imaginary.

It's dirt simple.

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no2K7 t1_j4705up wrote

That "do no harm" is close enough to my own. I navigate life by not invading people's boundaries, unless they want, or seem to require a hand.

Life's easy that way, you be you and I be I without interference from one another, and when we die we die, none of these rules and crap will have relevance then.

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EducatorBig6648 t1_j46zqxy wrote

(sigh) Of course they all fall under concepts. Zeus throwing lightning bolts is a concept, that doesn't make it a non-myth. Harry Potter playing quidditch is a concept. The concept of horse is a real concept and the concept of pegasus is a real concept, all concepts are real, there's no such thing as a fictional concept.

Also, I never said the WORD "must" is not real, it's a word. Quidditch is a word, myth is a word and Kryptonian is a word.

EDIT: Sorry for sighing, it's not personal.

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Proponentofthedevil t1_j46yaj1 wrote

Then how are "needs" "rules" or even the word "must" not real? When you include higher concepts like ownership, or abstractions like money? Do these words not fall into things like "concepts" "language" "justice" "value" etc... you don't appear to be applying this consistently. You seem to just arbitrarily consider certain things completely unlike the things, I guess you like? So its hard to take seriously.

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[deleted] t1_j46tz7p wrote

Two things can be true at once. You can think, as I do, that what Hitler did was abhorrent and cruel, you can hate him, all without saying that his actions were morally wrong. Preference and opinion are utterly divorced from whether or not something is wrong or right. Just because I don’t believe in objective morality does not mean I am automatically best friends with Hitler, or Mao, or Stalin, or any other homicidal dictator; as far as I’m concerned, they were all abhorrent and cruel.

What is even the point of saying it was wrong? Do you think that would have stopped him from doing what he was doing, if only someone had told him it was wrong? I highly doubt it.

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EducatorBig6648 t1_j46tfaw wrote

(sigh) A myth is a fiction believed by a large number of people (in the present or in the past) to be a non-fiction. So masturbation causing blindness, alligators thriving in the sewers of New York and Zeus being the cause of lightning while ruling the gods of Mount Olympus.

So no, I'm not misusing the word myth.

EDIT: Your "According to you, nothing is real" nonsense... (sigh) trolling or strawman argument or both, aye, there lies the rub.

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EducatorBig6648 t1_j46sx00 wrote

Do you honestly think that's intelligent, I point out it's egotistical to believe we "need" to live (when record level of species are going extinct as we speak, even) and you tell me to go kill myself?

Also, where did you get the idea that I "believe in nothingness"? If you mean nihilism, nihilism is stupid.

Believing in "the unimportantness of the human existence" is right for a very simple reason: "Importance" is a myth. We are no more "important" than the T-Rex or the dodo or some genesplicing-technologically created animal in the future.

EDIT: Also, living a happy life is irrelevant to the conversation in general and specifically it's irrelevant to "finding a point in it", you're confusing the myth of "purpose' with sense of contentment or sense of accomplishment etc.

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EducatorBig6648 t1_j46mlr2 wrote

--Some examples of non-imaginary things--

Humans

Horses

Danger

Thoughts

Emotions

Concepts

Language

Communication

Justice and Injustice

Rape

Meaning/Patterns/Consequences

The Truth

Accuracy/Right and Inaccuracy/Wrong

Morality

Good/Benevolence and Evil/Malevolence

Utility

Societies (people being socially structured)

Civilizations (people telling white lies in fear of losing social structure)

Landmasses

Racism

--Some examples of imaginary things--

Kryptonians

Hippogriffs

Santa Claus

Names and Labels (though this might be arguable)

"Necessity/Need"

"Imperatives"

"Rules"

"Laws" and "Crimes"

"Murder"

"Purpose"

"Deserving"

"Should"

"Value"

"Money"

"Owning"/"Property"

"Theft"

(The list is longer, e.g. "Justification" and "Authority", but you get the idea)

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