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GreenHoodie t1_j476zxr wrote
Reply to Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
The way I've heard this put is:
Moral systems are like bridges. Any bridge will break when under enough stress, but that doesn't mean they're not useful.
WrongAspects t1_j476hlq wrote
Reply to comment by IAI_Admin in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
Five of the Ten Commandments are about God himself and how you are not supposed to think about other gods. Apparently jealousy is half of morality
EducatorBig6648 t1_j475sy8 wrote
Reply to comment by ibnQoheleth in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
(sigh) What difference does it make what "my position" is or if if I'm "trying to put it forward"? The question is is what I'm saying logical and can you logically argue what I'm saying with me, yes?
I'm trying to provoke THOUGHT. What is wrong with you humans?
EDIT: In other words: Philosophy used to be about questioning things, is it the opposite here on reddit?
ibnQoheleth t1_j47458i wrote
Reply to comment by EducatorBig6648 in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
You've voiced this view a few times on this post, what are you trying to achieve here? I'm not sure I understand what position you're trying to put forward, or if you're simply trying to provoke.
Dripdry42 t1_j4743cp wrote
Reply to comment by Apprehensive_Eye1993 in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
I feel this is often overlooked in discussing Nietzsche. Creating one's own ethics doesn't happen in a vacuum. It involves separating from a previous set of values, and that has to be dealt with and can be hard. our own salvation is important too. Not just adopting new paradigms.
SvetlanaButosky t1_j472cht wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | January 09, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
The point is so kids dont grow up confused and following in his footstep.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j4714bu wrote
Reply to comment by Proponentofthedevil in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
It's not arbitrarily considered. If a pegasus does nothing outside our imagination it is a fiction. A horse does something outside our imagination as does danger and English. "Money" and "ownership" do nothing outside our imagination, they are not objective or subjective, they are imaginary.
It's dirt simple.
no2K7 t1_j4705up wrote
Reply to comment by IAI_Admin in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
That "do no harm" is close enough to my own. I navigate life by not invading people's boundaries, unless they want, or seem to require a hand.
Life's easy that way, you be you and I be I without interference from one another, and when we die we die, none of these rules and crap will have relevance then.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j46zqxy wrote
Reply to comment by Proponentofthedevil in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
(sigh) Of course they all fall under concepts. Zeus throwing lightning bolts is a concept, that doesn't make it a non-myth. Harry Potter playing quidditch is a concept. The concept of horse is a real concept and the concept of pegasus is a real concept, all concepts are real, there's no such thing as a fictional concept.
Also, I never said the WORD "must" is not real, it's a word. Quidditch is a word, myth is a word and Kryptonian is a word.
EDIT: Sorry for sighing, it's not personal.
Proponentofthedevil t1_j46yaj1 wrote
Reply to comment by EducatorBig6648 in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
Then how are "needs" "rules" or even the word "must" not real? When you include higher concepts like ownership, or abstractions like money? Do these words not fall into things like "concepts" "language" "justice" "value" etc... you don't appear to be applying this consistently. You seem to just arbitrarily consider certain things completely unlike the things, I guess you like? So its hard to take seriously.
ohburger t1_j46vrgr wrote
Reply to Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
I see rules the same way as I view fences. Some keep you from going places that you shouldn’t and others are there to protect you from things that may cause you harm.
[deleted] t1_j46tz7p wrote
Reply to comment by SvetlanaButosky in /r/philosophy Open Discussion Thread | January 09, 2023 by BernardJOrtcutt
Two things can be true at once. You can think, as I do, that what Hitler did was abhorrent and cruel, you can hate him, all without saying that his actions were morally wrong. Preference and opinion are utterly divorced from whether or not something is wrong or right. Just because I don’t believe in objective morality does not mean I am automatically best friends with Hitler, or Mao, or Stalin, or any other homicidal dictator; as far as I’m concerned, they were all abhorrent and cruel.
What is even the point of saying it was wrong? Do you think that would have stopped him from doing what he was doing, if only someone had told him it was wrong? I highly doubt it.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j46tfaw wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
(sigh) A myth is a fiction believed by a large number of people (in the present or in the past) to be a non-fiction. So masturbation causing blindness, alligators thriving in the sewers of New York and Zeus being the cause of lightning while ruling the gods of Mount Olympus.
So no, I'm not misusing the word myth.
EDIT: Your "According to you, nothing is real" nonsense... (sigh) trolling or strawman argument or both, aye, there lies the rub.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j46sx00 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
Do you honestly think that's intelligent, I point out it's egotistical to believe we "need" to live (when record level of species are going extinct as we speak, even) and you tell me to go kill myself?
Also, where did you get the idea that I "believe in nothingness"? If you mean nihilism, nihilism is stupid.
Believing in "the unimportantness of the human existence" is right for a very simple reason: "Importance" is a myth. We are no more "important" than the T-Rex or the dodo or some genesplicing-technologically created animal in the future.
EDIT: Also, living a happy life is irrelevant to the conversation in general and specifically it's irrelevant to "finding a point in it", you're confusing the myth of "purpose' with sense of contentment or sense of accomplishment etc.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j46rocu wrote
Reply to comment by Hassan_99 in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
"Must" is a myth i.e. "imperatives" exist only in our imagination. That said, my life is just as meaningful as yours since meaning is omnipresent. I don't know what your idea of spirituality is so I won't go into it.
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tree-molester t1_j46qmg0 wrote
Reply to Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
Single principle only needed: ‘Try not to be a dick.’
Try is the key here.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j46p71j wrote
Reply to comment by FireingHex in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
To navigate life and to be as knowledgeable as possible you want a grasp of what is real and what is myth. Horse and pegasus.
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EducatorBig6648 t1_j46mlr2 wrote
Reply to comment by Proponentofthedevil in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
--Some examples of non-imaginary things--
Humans
Horses
Danger
Thoughts
Emotions
Concepts
Language
Communication
Justice and Injustice
Rape
Meaning/Patterns/Consequences
The Truth
Accuracy/Right and Inaccuracy/Wrong
Morality
Good/Benevolence and Evil/Malevolence
Utility
Societies (people being socially structured)
Civilizations (people telling white lies in fear of losing social structure)
Landmasses
Racism
--Some examples of imaginary things--
Kryptonians
Hippogriffs
Santa Claus
Names and Labels (though this might be arguable)
"Necessity/Need"
"Imperatives"
"Rules"
"Laws" and "Crimes"
"Murder"
"Purpose"
"Deserving"
"Should"
"Value"
"Money"
"Owning"/"Property"
"Theft"
(The list is longer, e.g. "Justification" and "Authority", but you get the idea)
Hassan_99 t1_j46lhvi wrote
Reply to comment by EducatorBig6648 in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
What a meaningful and spiritual life you must have geez.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j46lfhn wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
Nihilism is stupid and how am I ("We humans think the universe revolve around us organisms, how egomaniac is that?") the narcissist here? :-)
FreshEclairs t1_j4781uo wrote
Reply to comment by EducatorBig6648 in Life can’t be reduced to a rulebook. But committing to certain moral principles can help us navigate life better. by IAI_Admin
There’s a lot of flaws here, IMO.
One example: you list danger as a real thing, but necessity/need as an imaginary thing.
Isn’t the existence of danger predicated on the existence of some need?
If my need for survival is imaginary, how can a threat to it be real?