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GrandMast33r t1_j42vqxn wrote
Reply to comment by GrandMast33r in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
Love Sartre, especially his Marxism. But what about Heidegger?
GrandMast33r t1_j42vlq6 wrote
Reply to comment by DeviceFickle970 in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
I actually love Nietzsche, especially his nihilism. But I don’t usually associate him that strongly with classical Existentialism. After Kierkegaard, I would say Heidegger would be next.
randnietzsche2024 t1_j42uz29 wrote
Is there a subreddit dedicated to shitting on Nassim Taleb?
EducatorBig6648 t1_j42uoq1 wrote
Reply to comment by Luklear in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
>When you consider how important the meaning of words and the limits of languages are
"Importance" is a myth, it exists nowhere but in our imagination.
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"In order for philosophy to propagate fully it’s authors intent there must be a semantic agreement with the audience."
There is nothing there "must" be as "imperatives" are another myth. Even if there being a semantic agreement is/were... essential for philosophy to propagate this would not make "imperatives" a non-myth.
hemlock850 t1_j42uoeq wrote
Reply to comment by TheHeigendov in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
Looking at his profile, seems he's been off his meds for quite a while...
Efficient-Squash5055 t1_j42ufl5 wrote
Reply to comment by EducatorBig6648 in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
That sounds like a very strong confident assumption about you and me; I wonder if you can easily act outside that contextual believed-in framework ? 😁
corran132 t1_j42ue1b wrote
Reply to comment by tbryan1 in How philosophy can help with loving the art but hating the artist by ADefiniteDescription
I'm sorry, I don't really follow your conclusion.
If the word you are thinking of for me is 'hypocrite', then that's fair. I recognize that this is not entirely intellectually consistent. The problem is that, in my eyes, being entirely intellectually consistent leads to one of two outcomes.
- Nothing matters, consume what you want. All businesses do shitty things, so don't worry about it.
- Completely disengage with society. All businesses, all governments, everyone does shitty things, so withdraw from all of it.
The problem is, I don't think either of these are actually helpful outcomes.
In the latter case, unless you found some commune and call forth followers to the woods (in which case, your own actions enter into the equations) you are never going to change anything.
In the former, nothing gets better because you cast aside that 'better' means anything at all. Everyone sucks, so who cares who sucks more than others?
What I am trying to outline is what I call 'doing my best'. I can choose, if/when I want to buy something for my partner, not to buy blood diamonds. I can choose not to consume (and support) media by people who are POS's. I can try to educate myself on how to support elected candidates that will push for better working conditions. Does my consumption sill cause harm? Absolutely, but I can try to make that as small as possible.
Because it is easier to find information on which art is made by problematic actors (but due to celebrity gossip and the high profile nature of the individuals), and because people have such an emotional attachment to art, it is the avenue of consumption that is most affected by people trying to be ethical consumers. Maybe it shouldn't be any different, but it is.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j42t2pv wrote
Reply to comment by bumharmony in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
"It is like an engine that takes you to where the journey should begin..."
"Should" is a myth, it never exists outside our imagination. Hume didn't think far enough. There is no "ought". The universe has no preferences.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j42st5b wrote
Reply to comment by LUCKYMAZE in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
>This doesn't mean that philosophy lacks objectivity or value, but it's important to recognize that...
"Value" and "importance" are myths, they never exist outside our imagination.
Godtrademark t1_j42sm2e wrote
Reply to comment by JoseMich in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
Schopenhauer is another very very similar author to Freud.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j42slh6 wrote
Reply to comment by Efficient-Squash5055 in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
>No one can remove themselves from the context of who they are in any moment (culture, personal lived experiences, language, beliefs, scientific views of the era, etc. etc.).
A few conversations with me and you might change your mind about that.
EducatorBig6648 t1_j42sazi wrote
Reply to comment by pin_eap_ples in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
Nothing can ever be "justified" since "justification" is a myth. We can't even "justify" inhaling the atmosphere, we just do it.
Perturbare t1_j42r269 wrote
Reply to Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
Jung writes about this and is beautiful
Sylvurphlame t1_j42pof0 wrote
Reply to comment by mirh in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
Well to be fair I graduated a few years back. And most of what was covered on Freud was general history of psychology and references to general theories.
Suntzie t1_j42p0lb wrote
Reply to comment by Experiunce in Philosophy has never been the detached pursuit of truth. It’s always been deeply invested in its own cultural perspective. by IAI_Admin
Another great one is Bruno Laytour: We Have Never Been Modern, argues that the concept of what it means to modern has always been contingent on the time. And that scientific objects are insperable from human nature
thune123 t1_j42osyx wrote
Reply to comment by jljboucher in How philosophy can help with loving the art but hating the artist by ADefiniteDescription
and you can hate the artist who makes art you enjoy...
LSDkiller t1_j42oma2 wrote
Reply to comment by durntaur in How philosophy can help with loving the art but hating the artist by ADefiniteDescription
I didn't express myself well. What I meant to say was that the article is meant to be about the concept of seperating the art from the artist. So while johnny Depp is mentioned, it's not JUST about him or JUST about Kanye west or whatever. This is quite a common phenomenon now I mean I can think of like 3-4 people off the top of my head that have done absolutely horrible things, but they have a corpus of respected work still, and I'm terrible with celebrities and famous names and such.
Supero_5 t1_j42ohc5 wrote
Life is just a game in which we get bored eventually:
Alright so, let me explain. I'm a random internet stranger, and during these past months, I've been thinking about stuff over and over again, in hopes that whatever I reach will help me in life eventually.
Anyways, one night I was walking around my living room and thinking about things. And (with some help from my mom) I then deciphered something.
I started thinking about why people felt sad, and why would some people "quit the game" if you know what I mean (I hope that works; if not then any mod can tell me to delete the message lol) and then my thinking train went on and on and then I deciphered that, much like in a game, we always want to feel happy.
Then I wondered: "So, what makes us happy?" and once again, I started thinking about it. I remembered one learning from a source that says that "survival is our goal", and then I realised, that being happy really just meant that we knew we were effective at meeting our goals".
So, then I concluded with the idea that happiness is our most important goal, and to reach happiness we just need to know that we are progressing on our goals, and meeting them.
(Extra note: While writing this, I also realised that reproduction isn't exactly tied to survival, but I guess that it can be counted as "survival beyond the body" like having children. This is a side I still haven't explored yet so if you guys have any ideas then help me out)
So... Then I wondered about one last thing: What happens when we reach our goal? What happens when there are no goals in life, no objective, no games?
I like to explain this idea by comparing it to Minecraft. When we start a new world, we need to survive, get food, and then get better armor to be more effective at surviving (and of course for brag value and because we know its better). But... what happens when the "main game" (Killing the dragon, getting netherite, etc.) is done?
Simple, there are two options: And the first one is to leave the game. It's not because we hate it, but it really is because we just don't have anything more to do with it. Or... you could do what long time players do, and focus on the building or in the multiplayer side, which do not run out of content and make you entertained again.
Anyways, back to real life:
I believe that one of the reasons we can be sad sometimes it's really because we do not find anything interesting to do in life (since boredness comes from lack of happiness). If you've seen struggling sometimes, there are times in which they seem more happy than rich people who have their lives figured out.
This, coupled with any other negative feelings about the game of life (maybe guilt for something, feeling hopeless or thinking there is no solution for your problem) makes people very sad, and they simply decide to "quit the game".
It's not really a irrational decision; it's what they think of the game. However... there is one factor that makes quitting the game a bad decision imo, and it's that, just like in Minecraft, you can find happiness and entertainment again in other areas of the game of life. You need to find another new objective which makes you happy.
Despite our best efforts, we still don't know what happens when we die. And that is why quitting the game is such a risky decision, so, that is why I prefer this option.
And so, to conclude I would like to advise you all to never quit the game. I am not sure if my theory is correct (and that is why I also came here; I want to know other opinions and counterarguments too), but if it is then maybe we can all be happy playing the game, and thrive.
Whew, that was a ride lmao. Take care everyone, and I'll answer to your arguments below :D
Suntzie t1_j42n11w wrote
Reply to Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
First of all, what Nietzsche described as the Dionysian, though it has many analogs to freuds idea of the unconscious or the ID, it is not an exact copy, and freud was arguing about completely different strands of thought in a different context. Orthodox methodology in intellectual history tends to eschew this sort of thinking, there’s even a term for it:teleological history. Just because they sound similar doesn’t mean it’s the same thing, and there’s good reason for considering freud the father of psychoanalysis. The conscious/subconcious dialectic is very different from the Dionysian-Apollonian, in simply terms.
Second, he’s not prescribing the Dionysian counter ideal as something that is innately good by itself. It’s the balancing of both that is required, and that’s very different from an explicit endorsement of the Dionysian.
mirh t1_j42n08b wrote
Reply to comment by Sylvurphlame in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
Didn't realize there were psych departments still giving air to that old fraud.
mirh t1_j42mxbj wrote
Reply to comment by JoseMich in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
> and further suggests that he was intentionally lying
Like when he was "curing" those women.
Suntzie t1_j42lufp wrote
Reply to comment by Katerpilet in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
You’re right it’s definitely an attack on analytical philosophy. More generally it’s an attack on rationality in the abstract which also includes the scientific world view, positivism, etc.
TheHeigendov t1_j42kl4x wrote
Reply to comment by wutryougonnad0 in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
Hello. I'm Albert Camus, Of Camus' Own Thoughts For Youse. I'm telling you folks this is amazing, the world's first canned soundbites. knock knock See? Tin. Forget books, forget everything else. Its all meaningless in the face of the Absurd. That is not a bad thing. It simply is.
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Reply to comment by Platanopower36 in Nietzsche is better understood as the Father of Psychoanalysis than Existentialism; his philosophy has two components: the diagnosis of our culture's Decadence (under the Ascetic Ideal) and a prescription for health in the Dionysian Counter-Ideal by thelivingphilosophy
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EducatorBig6648 t1_j42w2yk wrote
Reply to comment by WrongAspects in The Effect of Philosophical Libertarianism on Popular Media as Portrayed by Comic Book Villains by baileyjn8
I don't think the Snap affected much non-sapient animals and plants. When The Blip happens there's no mention of (what used to be) 50% of the animals and plants reappearing all over Earth.