Recent comments in /f/philosophy

Maximus_En_Minimus t1_j3gr0fw wrote

I won’t and did not tire, lol - though it was a handful.

So, I am counselling my response.

Your ideas remind me a lot of mine, in essential structure - that of Return - before I transitioned to becoming a philosophical pessimist.

However, I don’t want to be further presumptuous by implying understanding, and so I will get back to you in either the next few hours, or next few days.

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[deleted] t1_j3gk6es wrote

Yeah. Well done. Time is a concept. So is Love. With current “rulers” we cannot reconcile the two. Odd that. Lots of clues. How you can’t have infinity in a closed system. NEVER. Second clue. Pi is not a number. It’s a concept. Concepts are “infinite” not possible. So the concept is wrong. Go back to your books. 22/7 is pi. It’s not the answer, it’s the number. Yeah. Once you got that, well philosophy becomes moot. OH AND THE ONLY INFINITE THING IS COLOUR AND LOVE. Work it out. Like I did. Thought. Logic. Even when logic fails it still provides. Wrap your noodle into that.

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Oh-hey21 t1_j3giiq2 wrote

Yes and no.

Yes to always having to find my own path. I lacked authority and was able to identify at a young age what others experienced at home from their parents. I then took what I viewed second-hand and applied it to myself.

I'm having a hard time with the age part.

I understand and agree that many children will have an idea of the world with help from their parents. I get there will be an age at which a child will get curious enough to make sense of what they think they know and either strengthen it or dismiss it. I just do not identify a period where that happened in myself. I also think there are many layers to it, and there may not be a single period of breaking free from the initial self. To add a little more, society also controls some movements in terms of freedom and change in environments.

If anything, my upbringing has taught me lessons that were impossible to better understand until much older. I associate good upbringing from tiny splashes from extended family, friends and friends' families. Bad with every day life.

I'm sorry if I'm not getting it, but I would like a better understanding.

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Brandyforandy t1_j3g9g81 wrote

Isn't that because you were raised to find that you always need to find your own path, and nothing is constant? So your upbringing, up to 12, consisted of a lifestyle that required constant learning and growth. The reason I am asking is because my upbringing were similar, and I also have a similar mindset to you.

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IAloneTheyEverywhere t1_j3g6fw9 wrote

I agree that undergrad course aren’t enough, and I was being a bit hyperbolic given how complex high level science is. I agree that spending time studying these subjects is extraordinary- 200 plus hours as you said. I definitely agree that that vast majority of QM Phil is quite bad. I guess I was just angry about most QM phil which led to such a harsh response.

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rvkevin t1_j3fwubj wrote

> It shouldn't be forced because people would reasonably reject giving up their freedom of conscious for welfare (principles that can't be reasonably rejected are ethical principles).

It's stipulated in the hypothetical that following the utility coach would increase the utility of anyone using him, so all reasonable people would give up their freedom because that's their actual preference. If you say that they prefer their freedom more than being forced to used a utility coach, you're violating an assumption of the hypothetical.

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Chiquye OP t1_j3fihww wrote

Synopsis: the tyranny of time was produced by both religious and scientific endeavors and has been a convenient means of control and domination for political economic systems, namely capitalism, as eras have changed. We've come to think of it as a matter that is measured rather than produced and this article delves into a rich history of time as a concept.

Apologies, mods idk how to include a synopsis in a link post. I hope this is suitable

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ViniciusSilva_Lesser t1_j3f9kwh wrote

So apparently there's a limit for the size of the answer. I'm tired of writing, you may die tired of reading. I also lost the bold I use to emphasize some things, so this may be even worst. Anyhow, since we're here, I'll post it as this online notepad.

https://www.invertexto.com/dialecticofeternity

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Diogenic_Seer t1_j3eusru wrote

Yes and no. Classes are one of many ways to learn.

I really despise how undergrad classes can’t be easily avoided by taking a large test or writing a large thesis. It’s a lot easier to avoid classes at every other level of education. It genuinely find it authoritarian.

Just spending at least 100-200 hours familiarizing with the materials of a field can be enough if time to find a genuine hole in scientific understanding. Naive discovery does happen. There were a lot of individuals that mused on continental drift before hard evidence was found. You could describe those early papers as more philosophical than scientific. https://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/step2012/participant/PlateTectonicHistory-1.pptx

You don’t need deep geological understanding to sort out that the continents kind of look like puzzle pieces.

That said, almost all philosophy of quantum science papers I have read have been utter bullshit.

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raptormeat t1_j3eph7c wrote

Speaking of that, this is a bit of a digression but have you ever heard of the Sokal Affair? I learned of it years ago, but only just found out recently that not only was the journal Social Text pranked with a nonsense paper about QM, but even after it was revealed as utter nonsense the editors at the journal still defended it as valuable commentary!!!

In fact, the wiki quotes their response as saying Sokal's announcement merely "represented a change of heart, or a folding of his intellectual resolve".

THAT is impressive! Unfortunately it is very telling (my girlfriend just said "talk about the Death of the Author!"), but I think QM is just too juicy and fun of a concept for the less-rigorous (to be charitable) to leave it alone.

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Zanderax t1_j3enuab wrote

The people that associate non-determinism in QM with free will in humans are the ones that get my goat. Even if QM shows non-determinism there is no evidence of any mechanism that allows humans to control that non-determinism through some kind of soul to make free choices.

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Seek_Equilibrium t1_j3em9ui wrote

> First of all a theory is the hypothesis with the most proof. It doesn’t mean it’s proven.

This is a bit of a bugbear of mine. A theory is not what a hypothesis graduates into when it collects enough evidence. Theories are broad explanatory frameworks. They incorporate and generate many hypotheses/predictions. Some are highly backed up by evidence (Darwinian evolutionary theory, general relativity, etc.) and some are discredited (lamarckian evolutionary theory, etc.), and still others are currently speculative and not yet decisively confirmed nor disconfirmed.

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