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Legalize all of those things, murder and assault are still illegal. If someone kills a gay person, the law must be impartial enough to rehabilitate and exact some sort of justice upon them. Freedom. We cannot go as low as to make laws in order to try to control or “stop” hate against any kind of group. That in itself is oppression against people who “hate” any kind of group. Freedom of choice, expression, and speech is extremely important. We cannot take this away from the people. People are allowed to hate, what they are not allowed is to hurt. Business owners are allowed to discriminate, that is their freedom of expression. If you want to be able to buy from whomever you want, then we need to set up federally made stores. The more choice people have, the more the people will be able to legitimately choose to be good, because they’re not being forced to. When you make hate illegal, the people push back even more and rebel, this is not how you make change, just like beating your child doesn’t make change. You cannot force the hand of the people.

Government must be small, impartial, and enthusiastic about their support of freedom, and supportive of the progression of science because this will also make the world and even better place; and they must be enthusiastic about the support of furthering even more human life, because the more life there is, the higher the probability of good change in the world their is, sure the same goes for bad, but I’d rather have a higher margin for good, than a declining one.

I’d say we need to keep oppression as a social issue, and eliminate it from politics. Love one another as you would like to be loved. Do unto others as you would like others to do unto you. Once we establish proper freedom and small government in the country, then we will have eliminated oppression completely from government. Which is why we must firstly focus on freedom. Then we can genuinely talk about oppression in social circles, and why we must treat each other correctly. :)

My great-grandmother was named Arabia, it checks out.

Couldn't agree with that more!

Lol nice bait

My comment was on how silly it is to judge previous eras by current sensibilities. It’s like scoffing at the first lightbulb.

But, accordingly, current norms and ideas are equally pants-on-head-dumb, too, by the standards of future generations.

Its not an assumption, historical evidence indicates that progressive positions such as gender equality and queer acceptance were much less in the past than the present. Queer people and women in history faced oppression and progress on their acceptance is quite recent.

Obviously this depends on the time and place in history you are talking about but generally acceptance of women and queer people was much lower

Agreed.

Bold of you to assume that a bygone age is problematic for being different than current sensibilities

That's alright, you get out there and show em the real North Pole

“Islam gets a free pass”– are freaking kidding me?? When the f**k has Islam ever been given a free pass? It is constantly, incessantly, denigrated & condemned all over the world. The caucasity is unreal.

I've got plenty already but thanks for the offer :P

I dunno watchu doing tonight Santa? Need a chimney to come down?

Something tells me that this person wouldn’t be downvoted like she has been had her comments been directed at a catholic thinker. For some reason islam gets a free pass.

'Arabi can also be a name and in this context I think it's a name.

By oppression I mean anything that prevents people from living as they wish. At the extreme end this can be laws and extra-legal actions like lynching or mob violence. Towards the more moderate end can be housing, medical, and employment discrimination or social ostracisation.

In many countries it is still illegal to be gay and the punishments can be prison or death. Presenting with non-traditional gender identity in public leads to mob violence and death. Apostasy is still a crime in many countries. Clothing is legally regulated in many countries, especially for women. In many places sex outside of marriage is still illegal. Drug use is still criminalised in most of the world.

These are the kinds of things that I mean when I say oppression. A free society is one that allow everyone to live their lives as they wish without interference from others. An oppressive society is one that regulates how people live their lives and punishes those who dont conform.

I think "Arabi" here is a name. Here is his full name,

Muḥammad ibn al-ʻArabī al-Ṭāʼī al-Ḥātimī

There needs to be a more clear definition of oppression, and we need more political freedom in order to allow people to choose exactly what you’re saying, more political freedom will allow people to choose to be either socially conservative or liberal. People need to be allowed to choose to be misogynistic. That is the nature of freedom, and if women want to choose to be “oppressed”, that’s okay too. :)

The existence of polyamory is exhausting?

I consider myself pc and progressive but this shit is exhausting.

Im just talking about queer acceptance and equal rights for all. I dont think queer people or women in conservative Muslim are happy being oppressed. If oppression of minorities is part of your culture then yes I am comfortable saying that part of your culture is bad.

Its not a western thing, lots of western countries are still queerphobic and misogynistic. Its just at this moment in history most western countries are more progressive than non-western countries. That's a recent phenomenon though, 50 years ago western societies were pretty oppressive to queer people and women as well.

The ideal is freedom for all. Every culture should be accepted as long as they can coexist. If your culture is oppressive and stopping people from living their life the way they want then thats not good.

Why do you assume the Western way to he superior if people lead happy lives with a basis in their local tradition? This thread's comments are dripping with Western hubris, as if our way over the last ten tears is enlightened and true where foreign culture is "backwards" from where we are.

The West is depressed, anxious, and suffering from widescale apathy for the things that used to give life meaning, such as family and religion. We try to fill the hole with empty dopamine loops and substances like alcohol or weed, or addictions like sex, porn, or endless scrolling.

How dare we say that we have it right, and that other cultures are wrong?

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Well where are those quotes ?

Thats a fair and reasoned argument. I would definitely prefer regressive Muslims to become more progressive even if it they dont fully reach equality and fairness. Its moving in the right direction but should still be open to criticism.