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FrankieCrispp t1_j1bcgk0 wrote
I work in a hospital and see this extensively every day. Considering the venue its a little disconcerting, yeah? Doctors (med and psych), nurses, social workers, physical/occupational therapists, almost every day I can see one of them answer a question in another disciplines absence or speak with certainty about something outside of their field. Sometimes people think they know. Sometimes theyre afraid to say "To be honest sir/ma'am, I cant really answer that but will direct it to someone who can". Even if they are correct it's still dangerous. I'm a social worker and I couldn't imagine answering a medical question. Even if it's something common or that I'm certain of, you won't catch me in a professional setting talking out of my ass. I have no problem saying "I don't know" to a stranger.
thenousman OP t1_j1bc63k wrote
Reply to comment by redsparks2025 in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
Yep, epistemic humility is crucial for open and honest discussion. One bone I have to pick is the charge of sowing division. We need experts and knowledge is so specialized that whoever lacks it must depend on experts. I don’t think most experts intend on trespassing, or that they are bad people, but that it’s part of human nature. Nonetheless, some caution is advisable on their part and our own.
ting_bu_dong t1_j1bayp3 wrote
Reply to Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
"Know thyself."
"You might as well ask me to know a stranger."
thenousman OP t1_j1baqqg wrote
Reply to comment by skyfishgoo in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
I agree with a lot of the above, however, I also think that it’s an intellectual virtue to know the borders of one’s knowledge and expertise and, most importantly, when to keep quiet.
hydrOHxide t1_j1b9sg1 wrote
Reply to comment by Batoiii in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
Thomas Sowell is a pretty good example of it himself.
hydrOHxide t1_j1b9aqc wrote
Reply to comment by 1LizardWizard in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
You miss the concept of having teams whose research one person communicates.
redsparks2025 t1_j1b9abg wrote
Reply to Stoicism & Artificial Intelligence: Embracing an Age of Unimaginable Change by johngrady77
Nature's biological evolved artificial intelligence creating artificial intelligence.
The Asimov Cascade ~ Rick & Morty.
WolverineSanders t1_j1b98tv wrote
Reply to comment by breadandbuttercreek in Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
I wish everyone was flexible adaptable, but I see no evidence to suggest that people aren't more rewarded in our society for being stubborn and selfish
redsparks2025 t1_j1b8a4t wrote
Interesting article that identifies an issue but does not really provide a solution, but only sows division. I don't pretend to be an expert in anything and therefore my inquiring mind treads wherever it wants. However when asked my views I would be honest and state I am no expert in [Insert Topic]. So what is the solution? Being honest with oneself and humble.
If you cross into my lane, indicate first your intentions and be prepared to give way.
EchosEchosEchosEchos t1_j1b828o wrote
Reply to comment by breadandbuttercreek in Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
For sure. Just mentioning a potential pitfall, or maybe it's just a single past relationship of mine I'm applying as a universal potential pitfall. Dunno.
VoxR4710 t1_j1b7wo4 wrote
Reply to comment by breadandbuttercreek in Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
I was thinking about very related topic earlier - how all the best people in life seem to go through depression while the crappy people who deserve to feel depressed never do.
All part of the beauty of life I suppose.. always harder to create than to destroy, to grow than to decay, etc. What makes good things so special.
breadandbuttercreek t1_j1b7fav wrote
Reply to comment by EchosEchosEchosEchos in Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
There are definitely different ways of looking at life, but generally flexibility and adaptability will serve you better than stubbornness and selfishness. If people try to take advantage of you, you need to find ways to protect yourself. Sometimes easier said than done.
skyfishgoo t1_j1b5qj6 wrote
in your example the defense is at fault for not objecting to the testimony at the outset.
and or the prosecution is culpable for leading the witness into testimony they were not qualified to give.
probably why the whole thing was over tuned on appeal.
it's not up to the Dr to censor themselves and 'stay in their lane", as you put it, it up to the other actors in the court to discern what the hell is going on.
neoplastic_pleonasm t1_j1b4h2n wrote
Reply to comment by Zondartul in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
thenousman OP t1_j1b41f4 wrote
Reply to comment by adamsky1997 in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
Thanks! Indeed, that is concerning. I also know people who have become vaccine hesitant after listening to various athletes promoting vaccine skepticism on social media and that was deeply concerning!
Cultural_Tie9002 t1_j1b3mdw wrote
That's just appeal to authority, to make whatever restrictive conditions apply to have someone called an "expert" and then nobody can talk about anything. Enjoy living with a boot on your neck that's how you lose free speech.
EchosEchosEchosEchos t1_j1b39dt wrote
Reply to comment by breadandbuttercreek in Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
The worst part about this though, it's like being in a state of superposition that gets weird.
If you're the type of person who fully admits fault and feels guilt, and apologies when they do so, things can start to get wonky in your head if it's not in a cut and dry situation, and fault either... isn't easily determined, up in the air, unresolveable...or worst of all, with/regularly around someone that knows this about you, and tends to weaponises it without you even realizing it...and if you do, that makes you question if every error you make, even if you absolutely know you made it, was really an error you made.
And that's not even getting into the knowing your faults Vs. Imposter Syndrome Vs. Low Self Esteem "which one is it" thats omnipresent when they all are easily applied, and equally self evident indicators of "yep, it's that one".
In all honesty, the never-admit-your-wrong-or-say-sorry personalitiny seems like it would be a less stressful mental space to go through life with. You're just never wrong, less mental energy spent analyzing situations.
johngrady77 OP t1_j1b0s47 wrote
Reply to Stoicism & Artificial Intelligence: Embracing an Age of Unimaginable Change by johngrady77
From the article:
Humanity is on the edge of an unprecedented transformation, and few of us are prepared for how quickly artificial intelligence will change our lives. Here’s how Stoic thinking can help us embrace the coming revolution and thrive in a vastly different world.
thenousman OP t1_j1az1pf wrote
Reply to comment by HowOffal in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
Got his paper, really good work actually by both him and DiPaolo. One day I hope to be as good of a philosopher and writer as these two. Also, I love applied epistemology.
Fuckr3ddit32 t1_j1ax681 wrote
Reply to comment by breadandbuttercreek in Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
You have no idea how many people will never admit to any wrong doings. Put it this way every karma earned off this one comment of yours is the most likely amount of ppl on reddit who can even admit to being wrong
adamsky1997 t1_j1awzp1 wrote
I enjoyed reading your article and I think the point made is a very important one. I feel we get this more and more in the public discourse, with people like Joe Rogan (or L. Fridman, Andrew Huberman) inviting guests to their podcasts and discussing topics way way outside of their field of expertise. Because of large listening base, these people start spouting their own uninformed opinions on variety of topics, and un-critical listener will think they are listening to experts...
Desmond_FanClub t1_j1avcri wrote
Reply to comment by thenousman in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
Must be why I’m so arrogant lmao
thenousman OP t1_j1av438 wrote
Reply to comment by Desmond_FanClub in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
Friends keep us humble 😉
thenousman OP t1_j1aujgd wrote
Reply to comment by redditknees in Epistemic Trespassing: Stay in your lane mf by thenousman
ikr 😅
turingmachine29 t1_j1bcjij wrote
Reply to comment by EchosEchosEchosEchos in Knowing the content of one’s own mind might seem straightforward but in fact it’s much more like mindreading other people by ADefiniteDescription
less stressful? no doubt about it. but the collateral damage you will probably cause to the people around you would be incalculable.