Here's some background:

https://www.phila.gov/media/20210420152440/2000-24-Arch-St.pdf

It's being moved to Fairmount Park, somewhere up near Girard on the east side of the river (exact site TBD).

Yes, I'm not talking large dumped objects and I'm talking pre-pandemic. Things like a Gatorade bottle etc.

Let's just assume I'm right and that I see 2 fare jumpers per day. That's 10 a week, or about 520 per year. That's more than a sixth of the quoted number that one person is witnessing at one station in a small window of time. Admittedly, I'm primarily travelling during rush hour when there are more people travelling, and probably more fare jumps are happening during that time, but I just don't see any possible way the quoted number is close to accurate. It wouldn't shock me at all if the real number was 100x higher.

How would privatization improve this?

For six years, I've been voluntarily doing what Glitter pays people to do. Typically ~1/4 of the trash I bag is stuff left behind from municipal pickup.

The street trash issue is multi-generational & the city's solution is ripe for disruption.

Glitter monetized the process of activating regular neighborhood cleanups and I'm actually not mad. On extra bad days (think: diapers, needles, piss bottles) I think about Patreon/GoFundMe. But I never really follow through because, candidly, it's not my job and I don't want it to be my job.

On weeks where I've actually swept the street with my fucking push broom, our street corner looks cute - to me, it's an excuse to get outside, and I've met a bunch of my neighbors this way.

But hey let's hold out for an un-scalable job expansion to pay reluctant employees to half-ass it. Great.

New everything.

Edit: took exactly 2 months

6 people at a time will bulrush thru

They used to have two people follow the truck with a shovel and a broom.

I know they are low staffed right now and having issues and I also understand that there is a weight limit for them so they maintain worker safety which means they wouldn't be picking up huge illegally dumped things but if there were just two people following every truck with a shovel and a broom, litter would get a good elimination once a week on every street in Philadelphia.

Yeah but the kitchen isn’t waterproofed

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195k per station per year would be a 1 year payback, ignoring all benefit from cleaning the system up for honest riders. I'd be thrilled with a 5 year payback, which would require preventing 39k fare jumps per year per station, which is like 4-5 fare jumps per hour, which is probably in the ballpark of the actual situation on the ground today.

I used to work there! Beautiful shot of the building 😊

Actually, unless the planned bathroom space already has a window they might need to involve a roofer because a bathroom with shower requires an exhaust. Sooooo, roofing, electrical/plumbing/hvac and the permits and inspections process, drywall, carpentry, tiling and glazing, project mgmt etc and all done in a timely manner -- 50k is not bad. It may only be realistically 30k of materials and labor but the builder isn't working for free.

You also have to consider the level of finish the homeowner wants. A double vanity can be $300 from Ikea or $3000 from room and board. Tile can vary from less than a dollar for subway to $20sq ft for zellige.

A DIY kitchen for 9k doesn't really compare because no one is trying to make a profit and you're likely only making minor adjustments to existing mechanicals.

Edit: the plumbing stack will surely also need to be vented closer to this new location right? more roofwork?

I guess ultimately the idea that the fare-jumping is the root of the problem just really doesn't feel right to me. Subway upgrades are cool.

This always bothered me too. They grab the bags and ignore any loose trash. I'm sure they are thinking (or maybe told) it's not their job to pick up litter but if it were me I'd feel obliged, I dunno.

Maybe that should be addressed as well?

Not just turning the El into a homeless shelter or day care to save the rest of the city.

$975,000 for two stations.

Maybe if there were 195,000 jumps per station per year. That's 535/station/day.

I'm not sure what you mean. Once you kick them out of the subway, they hang around on the sidewalk next to the subway. Then people are still afraid to walk to the subway. Panhandlers go where there are people. Homeless people go where they can be comfortable. Kids cause trouble for laughs.

Film it and tweet it at them and the mayor

It seems like that could be addressed for less than a million dollars if it’s so obvious, no?

It's old and a few moneyed people like it, so it gets venerated.

This mentality of just selling out public transportation on this reddit always blows my mind.

Especially with something as important to a city as public transportation.

I wonder where they'll take their problems, then.

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>People also aren't going to pay to loiter on the platforms.

For real, which people are jumping and standing on platforms indefinitely? I've only ever seen people rush through when the train pulls up so they aren't stuck standing there with nowhere to go.