Thank you all for these suggestions! I will start making some calls and hopefully have this wrapped up ASAP. I appreciate you all!

It's not rocket science, but its also operationally intense. You can't just copy and paste other cities approaches because we have a completely different operating model.

They're doing this in limited scope because there will likely be many unforeseen situations that will need to be addressed. They will analyze and react to the unforeseen stuff which will give them a more realistic view of the painpoints of the actual sweeping and the operational painpoints of capacity planning for this appropriately. They will also need to likely hire and reassign different teams to support this so understanding which roles and accountability decisions will need to be made.

Once they have muscle memory built up and find a good balance of operational finesse, they can consider expanding it to be more wide reaching.

Large programs, even when the task at hand is not complex, become inherently complex once its added into a larger function (aka city government/ municipal services). This is a widely studied aspect of program management and should not be underestimated.

You forgot the Philly slogan created by one of the morons on City Council; "this is Philly, we drive our cars to the corner store."

7th and Snyder hasn't been cleaned since 1938.

I might want to witness this.

We just renewed and got those 2 shoes as add- ons… can’t wait!

They do this in functioning cities all over the world. I think Philly people can handle moving their cars

This is a pretty shit reenactment of Abbey Road.

No kidding! It’s always weird when you hear stuff like this because you always just assume they’re great guys who are nice as pie

10th and mt vernon they just dug a huge hole in the middle of the street and blocked it with a big orange barrier and then left

*technically* you could drive around it but effectively it just closed off the street, and they didn't really notify anybody?

and then eventually someone just moved the barrier and the hole was still there

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Yeah I feel like everyone in this thread is going to be singing a different tune once the tickets start flying in.

I lived in Somerville and they did it twice a month and you basically just constantly got tickets. Holidays switched the schedule around, they would come in like a 5 hour window, just super annoying.

"Parking during the posted times could result in delay or cancellation for the day."

Am I reading this right? They won't be towing cars, just canceling the street cleaning.

CHOP used to ask for donations of them for the CHOP prom, which is a prom for inpatients unable to attend their school prom due to thier conditions.

I don't know if they still do this program it was a regular pre covid, might be worth looking into.

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They still haven’t figured out trash collection that’s been done since Roman times

It doesn't rain enough to clean up the stench in Philly. I live here. Masks really help walking around outside. Maybe if you are in your car you don't realize it. But street sweeping is not enough, they need to WASH these streets and sidewalks downtown. Residential areas are probably not as bad.

Very surprised people are celebrating this. I lived in a neighborhood in LA that had terrible parking but nowhere near as bad as philly neighborhoods, and we had street sweeping twice a week (monday one side, tuesday the other side) and it fucking stunk. Paid so much money in parking tickets on the rare week i would forget (if you forget twice a year its like $180).

The reason LA needs it is because it basically never rains (this year being an exception) so we need street sweepers to help clean the excess oil off the streets. But it rains plenty in philly and if its just about trash then i would think its better to just have sanitation teams go clean up streets with brooms and trash pickers.

Then again a lot of ppl in Philly dont have cars so i can assume that those people dont care.

Sometimes JEVS which works with foster youth have drives for prom dresses

> Large programs are best done in phases as a pilot program. Doing this citywide without neighborhood pilots to gain learnings from results in less wasted money and big process-related mistakes. They are doing this in phases, in key areas, so they can learn how to rollout it out citywide in a more effective manner. Project rollout is a key part of success of said project

This isn't splitting the atom, it's cleaning trash out of streets using machines that have been around for decades and are used by thousands of people regularly in cities all across the country.

I'm sure that somewhere out there in the United States there are resources the city of Philadelphia could use in order to fully implement functional street sweeping in the city without having to waste time and money fucking around with pilot programs.

Cool! Thanks for your response.

That's the joke YOU SUCK MCBAIN

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They can't do it all at once - ppl have to move their cars somewhere.

Large programs are best done in phases as a pilot program. Doing this citywide without neighborhood pilots to gain learnings from results in less wasted money and big process-related mistakes. They are doing this in phases, in key areas, so they can learn how to rollout it out citywide in a more effective manner. Project rollout is a key part of success of said project

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