Posted about it a couple years ago, after one of their buddies died they had a ride through lemon hill and those assholes almost ran over me and my two dogs walking on the sidewalk. I fell and clutched the both of them as tight as I could as dozens of atvs luckily rode around us while my dogs lost their shit.

We don't do okay. A friend of mine grew up in Philly and in the 80's she used to see kids from Olney and Central High Schools fighting on the subway platforms. They still do that today.

We don't do okay when it comes to violent crime or crime involving guns. All I have to do is turn on the news on Monday and see how many people have been shot.

Clearly a home that likes its soda.

Well installed bollards should stop a 50 mph car and are a lot less ugly than a concrete
Wall IMO.

Concrete barrier is safer for cars because hitting a bollard at speed will fuck you up.

One of the roads to really avoid in Philly. Honestly even worse than Henry Ave and Lincoln Highway.

I would actually advocate for a concrete barrier the entire way. The danger to pedestrians is real especially given how fast people drive on that road.

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We don't even have to get to ban cars level to have dramatically improved quality of life.

By using bolards to just block drivers from breaking the law and endangering everyone around them as well as destroying public parks we can have an immediate approvement overnight. Add in automated traffic and city wide parking enforcement and things could be better almost instantaneously.

Exactly making a locked gate for when access to the grass is needed is the solution to this "but sometimes" problem.

The city needs to install bolards everywhere, on sidewalks, along the parks, at entrances to trails, along bike paths, around cross walks etc.

Since we're unwilling to enforce any traffic laws here and hold drivers accountable for breaking the law, we need to make it exceptionally difficult for them to continue doing so instead.

That’s actually a great move in the right direction! …. Now to address how Kelly Dr lanes are 0.8 car widths wide ….

My bad. I misread it.

However the point still stands, a divider would make drivers feel safer and encourage faster speeds.

Second, we should be cutting down on traffic and space devoted to cars on Kelly Dr, not increasing it.

It’s rope. It’s Philly. It won’t hold people for long!

I didn’t say make the lanes wider at any point. You can’t put a barricade in the middle of Kelly drive without making the whole thing wider.

Wider lanes encourage higher speeds and are more dangerous.

Yep. This is the way. I'd prefer a bike only lane as the multiuse path gets crowded, but a tram would be fine.

What I see here is an unimaginative band-aid solution.

If this was a privately funded volunteer effort, I would be extremely grateful that someone took their own time and money to resolve an issue. But, we’re talking about a taxpayer funded city department. It’s great that someone within that department felt that this problem should be resolved but that doesn’t mean the chosen resolution is beyond reproach.

As far as concrete barriers go, we already have some of those on Kelly Drive, most notably along the Grandstand stretch near the John B. Kelly statue. Adding additional barriers would obviously be more expensive than running some rope along the road but by offering universities, companies, and community organizations the opportunity to “sponsor” stretches of the barrier you can offset a good chunk of the cost while also combating the graffiti that easily accessible concrete invariably attracts. What that would look like is a bigger question but luckily we have a wonderful Mural Arts program in the city that can handle the creative portion of the process. I’m fairly certain a good chunk of the new murals being painted are in-part sponsored by corporations and individuals.

My point with all this isn’t to say that we need to browbeat city departments every time they try to do something. There are clearly a million issues to tackle and a limited budget to do so. But, that doesn’t mean we have to avoid voicing dissatisfaction when a solution comes up very short of the target. Looking at that rope “fence” I can’t help but feel that it’s an ineffective solve that will not serve as much of a deterrent and will:

At best, require very regular maintenance and repair

Or

At worst, be broken quickly and forgotten about.

Ridge avenue south bound just past Girard Ave has s literal trench across the lane. It is the best traffic calming I've seen and cost the city nothing.

I saw this a little after you I guess, it was blown over on its side but still planted in its spot

I agree that philly drivers are horrific. I am relatively sure that one will hit and hurt me soon.

That said, the streets, and particularly Kelly Drive are designed to be sped on. It is a death trap and the city has known for years. It has been on the high injury network for years.

It is on the city to provide safe streets. There needs to be major traffic calming. Also bollards. Bollards can be gorgeous as well as functional.

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Jeff brown should pick up the damn trash at his shoprite at 24th and Oregon.

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Gotcha. I’m no expert. Just stating my opinion. I appreciate you sharing yours, and your insight. 🙂

Amazing how people just off leash there dogs along that actual highway… Like wtf people?