Exactly. If you as an ex-elected want to be involved in debates like this, you need to be able to have some humble pie and expect that your choices might be criticized. It is not the place for you to relitigate your own record

SLAY QUEEN! facts.

Kills me knowing universities will do this kind of shit all while spending millions on stadiums, rock climbing walls, dumbass useless activities to hook prospective students. Don’t get me started on Temple’s new “library”

This right here. I'm all for it Nutter. Kept asking tough questions and hold them to answers.

public transit for me, not for thee!

The whole "groveling as a form of hazing, and we hate you until you're utterly broken, and then *MAYBE, JUST MAYBE* we'll love you" straight up killed me.

I came up from one of the worst school districts in the area, and you want me to do WHAT? FOR WHY???????? Oh, bitch, you wouldn't last a second in a middle school fight, you can't be talking to me like that.

I misunderstood your comment. It wasn't clear who you meant to be the dunce.

I wasn't taking issue with it. I was simply responding to a comment that was directed at me using the information I had available.

I qualified my statement by saying I didn't watch it. And I wasn't using my lack of watching it as an "excuse" in any way.

Not sure what your problem is but I've said all that I have to say on the issue. Enjoy your day

I was there for the event last night (I was the guy whose question for Cherelle Parker was about Disability quality of life under a Parker administration) and I kind of thought Nutter was tough on both Parker and Gym. Parker and Gym both differed on how they approached those questions.

Gym got a lot of applause out of the crowd during her exchanges with Nutter. Another panelist, Leaphart, wasn’t so friendly to Gym either.

It’s also important to think about Nutter and his connection to the Citizen. He’s trying to do stuff post-mayoralty and right now that includes a podcast series with the Citizen (The How to Really Run a City podcast) which is probably why he was at these Ultimate Job Interviews too.

Another UJI isn’t scheduled which is a shame. There are more candidates to go but I sense the Citizen has a small staff so capacity is an issue. Also the candidates who haven’t gone (A. Brown, DeLeon, Bloom, Mike Stack, David Oh) are probably seen as less-viable.

Except you don’t know the difference between a printer and a plotter

Yes, I know. There's one or two people from working-class background who make it. You know as good and well as I do that Academia (in its current form) doesn't seem to want more of them though.

Which, again, brings me back to my point: Pay these grad students properly, so they can live the dream that I had. Because things should be better now than when I found them. And the fact that we're still talking about the same shit that I had to deal with when I was in grad school is infuriating.

Let me guess as a relatively recent Penn grad - 1920 commons and Hill. Ok now I’ll check the article…

Edit: yep nailed it

Couldn't agree more. This is also the reason there is so little diversity in academia, if you come from low income or working class family, these degrees are about 5x harder and take more time to become "profitable" in the long run. It's a combination of indentured servitude and professional hazing.

You’re absolutely correct that it’s easier to go to grad school if you come from wealth (of course it’s easier to do most things if you come from wealth). But there are a good number of grad students who earn their PhDs that come from working class or sometimes even impoverished circumstances. I know several here at temple. I myself am an academic who comes from more of a working class background. So not every successful grad student you meet was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. However, being upper class is obviously a huge advantage.

How can you take issue with a characterization of an interview if you don't watch the interview? That seems basic.

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I'm not claiming to watch every video. Explicitly stated as such and even said I believe he was easy on her.

Are you suggesting people need to watch every video to comment?

Yup. This bullshit is why I left grad school halfway through - it was when I realized that people who go to grad school have supportive parents and/or money/generational wealth. I didn't, and the TA/research job that I had paid me about that much $10-15/hour (but I only worked 20 hours per week, and still had to work a second job to make ends meet). But somehow, I'm still supposed to produce some fucking spectacular work that only 4 professors will read and can have an impact on my career as an academic? FUCK THAT NOISE. It was one of the hardest decisions that I've had to make in my 20s, because *this is what I wanted to do*, and *what I wanted to do* is what everyone wants for themselves, right?! We have all these trite clichés that cover how we're all supposed to love our dream job or whatever, right????

Like, I enjoy learning things and I love the feeling of teaching others about the things that I was excited about - but I shouldn't be taking a vow of poverty to do it (I mean, I could go and be a nun, but at least I consented to doing that). I now work in the private sector as an admin-bot (and have been for about 10 years), but at least I get health benefits and I can afford rent, and I don't feel like a piece of shit every day from out-of-touch professors telling me how I'm supposed to "suck it up" because they did too (while their parents gave them a monthly salary, with the questionable wealth).

Excuse the ignorance but what do you mean? You seem to imply that you used to support Gym but are now disappointed by her. What changed in your opinion?

born to shit, forced to wipe

Something I've wanted to try: apparently it's illegal in Philly for a cab to drive with a broken credit card machine, or it was. It wasn't illegal not to have one I don't think, but if a car was equipped it had to work. If a driver made a pickup with a broken card machine, a rider had the right to leave the car without paying. What many people who did this found was the machine wasn't actually broke, the driver just didn't want to take credit card payments, as they got less from the fare. Suddenly a broken card machine worked. All the cabs I've ever used, and to be sure there haven't been many, had working card machines.

If we elect Gym, we learned nothing from Kenney.

Which section in the article do you think painted Nutter as "scary" for "being aggressive?"

I can understand that as a legitimate concern. It just didn't read that way to me. The full videos are online so people can certainly make their own judgments. I don't think it is unfair to say that Nutter was the most aggressive questioner of all the candidates, or that his approach has differed from candidate to candidate. I didn't get the impression of him as "scary" either in-person nor in the article.

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>I'd prefer for the Inquirer to spend fewer words describing how aggressive or confrontational they perceive Nutter to be in these series and more words on the actual substance of the exchanges themselves.

I completely disagree. It goes to the substance and value of what nutter is doing. If he's putting his thumb on the scale, then just endorse someone instead of doing this song and dance.