The 2020 amendments that took effect in July 2020 made some cases bail eligible again, including so-called "harm-harm" cases, aka cases that involve the harm to person or property where the defendant has an open case that also falls under that category. This basically takes care of a large swath of these repeat offenders that you are rightly concerned about.

So for example, if someone is arrested for petit larceny and released without bail, and then they're arrested again while their first case is still open, the judge is allowed to set bail or detain that person.

You know that Lee Zeldin wasn’t running for Mayor of New York, right? The New York Mayor’s race was decided by the democratic primary, the genera election was forgone conclusion, especially since the Republicans couldn’t run anyone better than Curtis Sliwa.

We have Adams as our Mayor and not someone competent, like Kathryn Garcia, because many people voted for Adams in the primary because they thought he was black. But he’s actually just blue, because no color other than that matters to the NYPD.

Your post is basically over here trying to give justifications for Black/Brown people to beat up Asian people. I would say your rhetoric is provably more dangerous.

There are systemic issues, that doesn't mean they can't be overcome, and that culture and self-reliance aren't more important determining factors of criminality and outcomes.

If you stole multiple thousands of dollars from your employer, would you get fine and and “aw shucks, don’t do that again”? Or would you be fired, blacklisted, and possibly sent to prison?

That’s the difference.

I gave very, very accurate data on a much larger scale than anything you offered. I gave you two facts together that are very contrary to your view of the world, and you are here making garbage remarks like

> A person can be impoverished and not economically insecure

I honestly can't tell if you're joking with this stuff. You want to believe what you want to believe. Fine. Believe that poverty is insurmountable and the entire world is out to get you. Fail and fail harder. Play the victim. Maybe one day you'll figure out that you're fucking yourself.

If you're convicted for petit larceny your sentence is up to 1 year in jail. So if someone is released pretrial and he gets re-arrested for petit larceny, judges can still sentence that person to jail time.

Also, since the bail reform amendments that took effect in July 2020, judges can set bail on cases involving harm to person or property if the person has a pending case that also involves harm to a person or property. So if someone is arrested for petit larceny and released without bail, and then they get re-arrested for another petit larceny charge, the judge is allowed to set bail.

Well, let’s be honest. It’s getting harder to get arrested than it was even 6 months ago.

Do you mean those bumpy panels at the sidewalk crossings? If it’s what I’m thinking you”re talking about- those aren’t actually anti-slip surfaces but rather texture signals for blind people to ID sidewalk crossings.

Page 2 of the report says the study was funded by Arnold Foundation. Then go to Arnold Foundation’s website and see what causes they support.

I agree that the only valid takeaway from this study is that the data is mixed (but that’s not the kind of conclusion that is conducive to receiving additional funding from the Arnold Foundation). The relatively small differences in comparison groups from which the authors try to derive conclusions is completely outweighed by the fact that the comparison groups were not (and could not be) comparable, because one group was before the pandemic and the other was not. The effect of the pandemic on crime and policing in the city was far more significant than the effect of bail reform. If anything, I would guess that because arrests were down significantly during 2020, re-arrests would also be down. So an increase in re-arrests, even if slight, is something that needs to be looked into more carefully.

Its not that Eric Adams is shameless, its that he simply doesn't care if his actions make him look shady to the public. He simply cannot wipe that stupid smile off his face and say I'm sorry and will try to do better in the future.

I think there might be something shady about this guy.

Curfews would be good parents being fine would instantly check those kids cause it's to expensive not to

Glad I’m not the only one having to take a second glance to make sure I was seeing this fallacy properly.

So if someone commits petit larceny get arrested and then let back on the street "because of bail reform" to commit it100x more then we have to blame something other than bail reform for that. Got it.

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Yes, that's *technically* true. But if someone is arrested 100 times and never gets a jail or prison sentence and thus is out in the community again to reoffend, then you have to blame something other than bail reform for that.

>BUT, importantly, if a defendant is rearrested 100x, it still only counts as 1 arrest.

he said "BUT, importantly, if a defendant is rearrested 100x, it still only counts as 1 arrest."

Study seems legit to me. Could you link your source stating that the Arnold Foundation funded it. Anybody who funds a study will absolutely take a position on the matter, but skewing the numbers and being disingenuous isn't hard to figure out. A lot of the data is public lol. Go and find out if your theory holds.

This is one of their key findings from the study:
"Beyond the aforementioned overall takeaways, bail reform had varying
recidivism effects depending on people’s charges and recent criminal
history."

This would support what some of your are saying. Bail reform isn't perfect but we needs these studies to be able to refine it. We are still disproportionately jailing minorities.

NYC has 8 million people accounted for, probably more. There will be crime, no if ands or buts, its just the way the world works.

But here we are on reddit, complaining as usual, sigh.

One term mayor? One term mayor.

You are very clearly wrong but you're still arguing. No idea why you think you know more than an appellate court.

Okay? That does absolutely nothing to counter my point lmao. It just demonstrates that you have no formal education in law nor a real understanding of how the reforms operate.

Even if release isn’t mandatory, bail is highly disfavored outside of homicide cases and certain DV/sex crimes cases. CJA is reluctant to recommend bail. I am an attorney working for the government and have seen it first hand.

Rearrests of those ROR’d or SVR’d violent felony offenders went up. That’s what this article and study shows. Therefore, it was not “racist fearmongering.”

Just absurd. Gothamist is a rag with some makeup on.

Copying my reply to another person here:

If they commit crime after crime then they'd eventually be convicted and put in jail or prison. If they aren't convicted or only given super light sentences, then that has nothing to do with bail reform. Also, most people who *are* detained pretrial are only in jail for a few days since they generally make bail pretty quickly, meaning that they could reoffend almost immediately even if the judge sets bail. So the idea that the lack of pretrial detention creates all these repeat offenders is bogus.

“Offenses that are still not eligible for mandatory release are almost all violent felonies, sex offenses and certain domestic violence cases.”

If they commit crime after crime then they'd eventually be convicted and put in jail or prison. If they aren't convicted or only given super light sentences, then that has nothing to do with bail reform. Also, most people who *are* detained pretrial are only in jail for a few days since they generally make bail pretty quickly, meaning that they could reoffend almost immediately even if the judge sets bail. So the idea that the lack of pretrial detention creates all these repeat offenders is bogus.