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redroverster t1_jcbq73d wrote

Let me ask you this, if the total population is 500 people and 400 people with misdemeanor cases, and none of the 400 got re-arrested compared post reform to 200 re-arrests pre bail reform. Then the remaining 100 people had violent felony cases, and bail reform caused the re arrest number to go from 50 to 75, that’s an overall decrease (250 to 75), but are we better off?

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chargeorge t1_jcbn7bb wrote

I mean if you have some research that shows these people are committing extra crimes in a way that distorts the numbers sure of love to see it.

There are some numbers in the study that suggest the opposite, that those who do re offend in the bail reform group go longer before re offending.

If you have some data I’m happy to see it, but tbh that point sounds like cope.

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williamwchuang t1_jcbl58r wrote

You're making an emotional argument and an appeal to authority. The appellate court overturned the decision of the prosecutor and jury, so my appeal to authority defeats yours. If you want to say that you know more about the law than the appellate courts, then you are free to do so, but it would not hold much water because it's just your opinion supported by your emotions. At the end of the day, are you saying that the appellate court was wrong?

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NetQuarterLatte t1_jcbkyhn wrote

>In terms of overall crime rates, bail reform is mostly just an emotional issue.

That's not quite accurate (emphasis mine).

What's typically measured is not the quantity of crimes (via re-offenses).

They count the quantity of individuals that reoffend: if a single individual commits 50 crimes, that is counted as only 1.

That's a tangible difference on the streets, because most people care about "how many crimes are committed" a lot more than "how many reoffending criminals are out there".

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8bitaficionado t1_jcbie16 wrote

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.27

> the defendant acted in an especially cruel and wanton manner pursuant to a course of conduct intended to inflict and inflicting torture upon the victim prior to the victim's death. As used in this subparagraph, "torture" means the intentional and depraved infliction of extreme physical pain; "depraved" means the defendant relished the infliction of extreme physical pain upon the victim evidencing debasement or perversion or that the defendant evidenced a sense of pleasure in the infliction of extreme physical pain; or

If you want to argue that what happened was not "especially cruel and wanton" that's on you. If you don't feel multiple people beating on someone is torturous, that's your opinion. The prosecutors and jurors thought so.

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Cocororow2020 t1_jcbd2iq wrote

Mandatory pension contributions, union dues, we have 2 cars as we don’t live in a borough with useable public transit, plus both constantly bringing materials to and from work. Utilities and just life events constantly (weddings birthdays etc).

Like I said we have enough to save but we don’t have a lot of disposable income at all.

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